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Prostate cancer update

Since I first told you about my prostate cancer after my January diagnosis, I have been overwhelmed by the well wishes, prayers and suggestions that I have received from thousands of kind people.

As anyone who has or had cancer can tell you, it is a journey. Today, I want to let you know where I am in the journey.
Clark discusses his treatment with
Dr. Skip Holden in this self-shot video:


I have long been an advocate of being tested for prostate cancer. That is because it is by far the most common cancer among men. In most years, it is the most-diagnosed cancer period, with a greater number of cases than the much more highly recognized breast cancer in women. White men should start being tested for prostate cancer at age 50, while black men need to start their testing earlier at age 40.

If prostate cancer is discovered early enough, it is almost never fatal. That fact makes it nearly unique among cancers.

Those with prostate cancer can be categorized as turtles, rabbits or eagles. Eagles have extremely dangerous, fast growing cancer that has spread well beyond the prostate. They have by far the toughest battle. Rabbits are those with cancer that has spread beyond the prostate and is more difficult to deal with and treat. Turtles have slow-growing cancer confined to what is known as the capsule.

In the United States, current medical practice does not generally refer to these categories, and too often diagnosis equals treatment. In the aftermath of my cancer discovery I read and read and read. Medical journals are very dry reading unless it affects your life.

I learned that in Europe a turtle normally is not treated immediately, if at all. Instead, turtles go into "watchful waiting" where they are tested with a PSA (blood test) every 90 days to see if there is a change in pattern. They also receive an annual biopsy to look for more cancer. This seemed reasonable to me.

However, I had to find out if I was a good candidate for watchful waiting.

I have had 5 biopsies since my first one in 2007. I have consulted 3 wonderful urologists: Dr. Bill Scaljon, Dr. Bruce Green and Dr. Skip Holden. I also did a consult with a robotic surgeon named Dr. Nikil Shah who spent a long time with me explaining the surgical option.

Of my 5 biopsies, I had a finding of cancer in one of 12 cores (samples). That was my 4th biopsy. That is generally the green light for treatment in America. However, based on my reading, I went a step further. I had a 5th biopsy in Los Angeles in May which failed to find any cancer. That happens 25% of the time following a prior biopsy finding cancer. So I still have cancer. However, the recent negative means that I have so little cancer that it couldn't be found this time.

I also had a test common in Europe that's still awaiting FDA approval called PCA 3. This is a genetic marker test still being refined and is one of several in research around the globe that would more accurately pinpoint the danger of death from prostate cancer. The PCA 3 score is on a scale of 100. A score above 35 indicates real danger. My score is a 10. It is one time in life that I guarantee you a low number is great.

Going back to the eagles, rabbits and turtles…turtles are divided into 4 categories -- turtle 1, turtle 2, turtle 3 and turtle 4. Turtle 1s are those in the least danger who have only 1 or 2 cores of cancer discovered over multiple biopsies; a Gleason score of 6 (Gleason is a pathologist's ranking of the degree of cancer); and a slow progression of their PSA over time.

I fit all the criteria of a turtle 1. Therefore, I am doing watchful waiting. I am in a lucky group made up of around 25% of people who have this as an option. But 75% of people who are diagnosed with prostate cancer need treatment of some form within weeks or months.

I may eventually need treatment as well. However, although my numbers could deteriorate in my quarterly tests, I am not likely to need treatment for as long as 10 years or more. The key to this is to properly manage my cancer. Watchful waiting doesn't mean to ignore it or forget about it. That could cost you your life. Rather it means to monitor it like clockwork.

Most Americans are too action-oriented for watchful waiting. Men just want the cancer out. That is your choice. I have chosen a different path and only time will tell if mine is the right one.

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What others are saying

  • Prostate Cancer
    Clark,
    I appreciate you sharing this experience. I am recently diagnosed with prostate cancer. I have a Gleason score of 6, but my PSA went up within a year from a 1.7 to 3.5. My biopsy shows a small amount (3%)of cancer in 1 of the eight samples. I am interested in the PCA 3 test. Two consults with urologist have each recommended treatment in one form or another. Can you share where you had your test done?
    Thanks.
  • Proton treatment facility in Jacksonville
    Dear Clark,
    My husband is in 'making a decision' mode. We decided to pay out of pocket to have an MRIS procedure. Unfortunately, the US Urology Trust has alot invested in the biopsy roullette/rotating door. All other tumors are imaged before they are biopsied. A 3Telsa magnet MRI with a cell biochemical spectroscopy overlay is an excellent determiner of where in the prostrate there are signs of real trouble. Sloan Kettering has suggested this 'might' be the way of the future (in '04).. it just isn't catching on ($$?)...
    So we now know my husband has an area of real concern. The Gleason scores were upscaled when MRIS were examined compared to histology post prostatectomy -- demonstrating that the Gleason score based on biopsy is often TOO LOW.. and 7 patients were excluded because of the damage left by the biopsy itself (reason enough to image before biopsy!!!).
    I have a 2Br/2Ba condo in Jacksonville and if you want to come tour the proton facility that Shands has here you would be welcome.
    Harriet
  • A view from an eagle
    Thank you Clark for getting the word out about Prostate cancer. I was diagnosed last year with Stage III PCa at the age of 52. My Gleason score is 9 (5+4). I am an eagle and didn't have much choice in treatment. I had surgery and am now being treated with Hormone therapy. How I wish it had been caught early, so I wouldn't have to go through all the side effects. Please continue to be a beacon for our cause and get the word out. It's a subject many men are not comfortable with discussing. Thanks!
  • new prostate cancer test available
    Clark, a new test to identify risk for progression will be published this July in The Journal of Urology, a highly regarded peer reviewed publication. The Px+ test from Aureon Laboratories takes positive biopsy tissue to provide a personalized assessment useing the latest technology to identify features at the molecular level. It is twice as good as the next best tool to identify patients at a high risk for progression prior to chosing a treatment. Us Too! a national prostate cancer support group has recently included Px+ as one of the tests for a newly diagnosed man to discuss with his physician. More information about Px+ can be found at aureon.com
  • Active Surveillance for a younger man
    Clark, my situation was similar to yours when I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2003. I was ’young’ (47) and had a small amount of cancer. The biopsy found 2 cores with cancer (5% and 10%) . Both had a Gleason score of 6 (3+3). I decided on Active Surveillance of my cancer, even though my first urologist recommended a radical prostatectomy and a Radiation oncologist recommended seeds. I felt that with a cancer as small as mine, treatment was 'overkill'. I felt about as good as I have ever felt and I didn't want to mess it up with unpleasant treatment side effects such as impotence, urinary incontinence, penile shrinkage, etc. I was not willing to trade my high quality of life with some risk of death from prostate cancer for a lower quality of life with a lower risk of death from prostate cancer. The Klotz study (European Urology, Volume 47, issue 1, Jan. 2005 pages 16-21) has provided some scientific support for my decision. In this study less than 1% (2/299) of the patients died of prostate cancer in 8 years. I think, this study proves my position is pretty safe. An occasional psa test and exam is a small price to pay for a high quality of life.
    I consulted five doctors before I found one to assist me with Active Surveillance. I think that one reason that doctors so rarely recommend AS is fear of liability if things go bad. In today's legal and medical climate I really can't blame them.
    My surveillance consists of a psa test every 3-6 months, an annual DRE and an annual consultation. During the consultation, my urologist usually recommends treatment and talks about various methods.
    My psa usually ranges between 5-7. I had a scare last year when my psa jumped to 43. Also, my urologist found a hard spot during the DRE. A bone scan and biopsy showed no signs of worsening cancer. The ultrasound showed a spot on the prostate that appeared lighter than the rest of the prostate. My doctor said that it is probably a calcium deposit. Since this episode my psa has dropped to 6.
    I will see if I can get the PCA 3 test. However, since I have gone over 6 years without any significant signs of progression, I probably am a "turtle 1".
    I used to worry during the time between the psa blood draw and the results. This worry has diminished greatly. Now I probably worry no more than treated patients after their annual blood draw. Even if you are treated, you will be Watchful Waiting for the rest of your life.
  • CLARKS HEALTN
    AM PRAYING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO OUR DAILY LIVES. MY BEST TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF JAMES STATON
  • also a turtle
    Cark, like yourself, I opted to not have any interventional surgery, chemo, radiation or anything of the sort. I am glad I have avoided this as my PSA has stayed fairly level. BTW, I am a 40 year old white male... Diet, exercise have all helped me tremendously and i am healthier than I've ever been.

    Keep the faih..
  • Prostate Cancer
    It looks like you educated yourself and taken an educated option. Go to this web site if you really want to study this disease. www.prostate-cancer.org
  • Turtle Doing Fine 2 Years Later
    I was a turtle two years ago. After discussing it with my urologist and Dr. Shah I had no hesitation in deciding on robotic surgery with Dr. Shah. It was absolutely the right thing to do. There's been no problems since the surgery, everything's working very well, and I don't have to worry about having the cancerous cells in me. Good luck with your treatments.
  • Prostate problems
    We don't get your programs where I live here in so. CA, so I have rely on this Internet connection. I am 77. I may have just the right genes to not have cancer, Clark, but the I have the usual affects of the prostate. But I have discovered that staying away from high fructose corn syrup—in any form and any source—allows me to sleep right through the night, or maybe I have to get up once. I'm no doctor, but heaven's sakes stay away from HFCS! It couldn't hurt! And look at all the good you could do for people in the future if it turns out that that might help you tremendously. Take care.
  • Diagnosed in Feb this year
    My PSA has always been low and I have had digital rectal exams since I was 50 (now 62)but because my brother was diagnosed last year I went to see a urologist for my annual exam. Bingo after biopsy Gleason score of 6 with a normal PSA for my age of 2.1. I talked to three surgeons and at first my thinking was to have a radical prostatectomy. After research and on the advice of many men who had surgery I discovered Dr. Michael Dattoli (a radiology oncologist, urologist and former laporascopic surgeon) in Sarasota FL. Please look at all options before deciding what to do. After further testing I found my Gleason score to be 7 and staged at T3a.be careful out there. Surgeons (respectively speaking) make their money doing procedures. There are other options but as you say Clark it is a personal decision. Beware of the confusion and ask for data.
  • 17 year survivor
    As a turtle who elected quick prostatectomy (my doctor studied under the fellow who perfected the surgical technique at Johns Hopkins) be wary of chemo.........my doctor (this was in 1991) advised that irradiated tissue is much harder to operate on; all the very best, Jack
  • reply
    If you have a low gread diff. prostat Ca I wolud to say waiting..but only by low gread..repet your blodd chek all 6 mounths.Ohh and enjoy your life..I`m sending you some positive energy.Greetings to you
  • YOU!!
    For one person you do an awful lot of good. God bless you. I just loss my mom, "The accountant" and I have learned so much from you as I struggle,you have been my angel with your info. and insight!! May god bless you a million times and give you the strength to help you through this challenge. I'm pretty sure He's in your corner on this one and so am I and by the looks of it a whole lotta others too. God Bless!!
  • Prostate cancer
    My goodnesss, Clark! I had no idea you have this diagnosis. I have survived lung cancer with only surgery to remove it. Thankfully, I asked for a chest x ray because I knew I had risk factors for lung cancer. It was small and it was removed. Have you considered taking 50,000 IU of vitamin D once a month? It comes in a little green gel pill. As one gets older, and spends less time in the sun each day (even in the winter), vitamin D may need to be replaced. It is common for older people to need it in pill form. Have a MD order a lab test for vitamin D level. I firmly believe the supplemental vitamin D intake impacted the size/stage of the cancer when it was discovered. I listen to your radio show often and watch you on TV. Good shows, Clark!! God Bless you and watch over you daily.
  • your cancer
    I was listening to a repeat of Friday's show on my way back from the airport after picking my son up. I couldn't believe my ears. Before I left the car to enter the airport you were talking about cd rates and when I got back in the car you were talking about cancer. I thought I must have changed the station by mistake. I looked over at my wife and son and asked "Clark Howard has cancer?!" I try to listen to your show as much as my schedule permits and I missed your announcement. As someone who is living with stage 4 colon cancer all I can say is hang in there buddy. You are a very lucky person right now as you can sit back and keep a watchful eye on this horrible disease. Read everything on the subject. Become an expert on it. Ask questions, ask for second opinions. Some of this doctors think they have all the answers and they don't. You are your own advocate now. I wish you the best and hopefully you won't have to deal with chemotherapy, radiation, or surgery.
  • PSA
    Good for you! Each person must get educated on all aspects of their personal health care. There are some recent data printed in USA that indicate more of the watchful waiting is advised for larger numbers of people.Americans need to know we all have cancer cells in our bodies at all times. Our Tcells are working to stop them. It is when we eat too much sugar, white flour , etc. that the DNA of our own heritage turns on the gene for cancer. Also, chemicals in the environment can also turn on the DNA. YOu might check out Graviola Max, a plant studied by Purdue U that actually kills the stubborn cancer cell left after treatment. You have many years in your future.
  • Clark's health
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
  • 2nd opinion
    alway have 2nd because of the pathologist if they missread the slide it can cause a good dr to put you on the wrong treatment this happened to my wife she got radiation instead of chemo and radiation is a one time deal no more after
  • Blessing
    Praying for you and glad to hear the good news!
  • Good news
    My thoughts and prayers are with you.
  • Well wishes
    Good news, Clark! Glad to hear it. God Bless you. Take care.
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