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Mar 10, 2010 -- Dangers of closing credit card accounts after they're paid off

Clark has talked with glee about the record-setting amount of time that credit card debt in America has been going down.

But so often, the consumer champ will get a call from someone who completes the journey from being indebted to being debt-free and they want to close their accounts. His reply? Don't do it!

You've got to rethink the temptation to close accounts once you pay them off. Doing so only turns a good thing into a bad thing. You may think, "Well, I don't want credit anymore!" But your credit history is used for so much these days.

It can help you get a fair interest rate on an auto or home loan. It can help you secure financing for a small business. Insurers check your credit when they quote you on a policy. And some employers even consult credit reports if they're between making you a job offer or throwing your resume in the garbage.

As you can see, the effects are far-reaching.

So don't close those accounts. If you know having an open credit line laying around the house would be like putting alcohol in front of an alcoholic, well, Clark has a suggestion: Cut up the card but don't close the account!

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What others are saying

  • account closing
    I just closed an acct with a zero balance and a low finance charge because they wanted to charge an annual $60 fee if I didn't charge at least $2500 a year. Are they crazy? or am I?
  • Closing credit card accounts
    I disagree with this advise and here is why. I followed that suggestion some years ago after I paid off the entire amount. But, credit card companies have found new ways to make money!! If you don't use it for a certain period of time, they charge you a fee. Or an annual fee is charged ect.... I purchased my first home, November of last year and my score was 728. It didn't hurt my credit at all. I know every situation is different, but in my case I had no debt left and I paid the "fees" and closed the accounts. They will never get any more money out of me! jd
  • lowering credit card amount due
    without them lowering the credit limit.
    How can you do this
  • closing credit cards
    This link seems to simplify what I think Clark is saying.
    http://credit.about.com/od/toughcreditissues/a/closecards.htm
  • Credit Cards
    Doesn't it seem funny and weird that our credit is based on open credit cards from companies that we have no respect for? What happened to the days where your history determined your credit?
  • Paid off Credit Cards & Closed them
    I did this recently, with a loan from my 401K. I closed a few of them, due to duplication & some were charging fees. I'm glad they are closed. I also agree with Nancy who said, they will close them if you don't use them. This happened to me last year with a number of them. It seems like an evil curse to have to have these cards & use them to keep a good credit score. My plan is to not use the cards I have left, unless I absolutely have to, which I hope I don't. I guess if they close them, so be it! I also agree with those that hope these Credit Card companies go bankrupt with all of garbage that they have done to so many people over the past number of years!
  • 12 Credit Card
    My wife and I have 12 CC between us, some join some not. Both our credits scores are great, we get special offers all the time (0% 12 mos, etc). What we do is at about 6 months we would use a card for gas or dinner (even though we both use the same CC for gas) and pay off the balance when the bill arrive. Every year we change our gas CC to another one and just keep rotating them. It works for us!
  • 7 unused credit cards 0 balance
    Would I want to closed these cards if I want to buy a house. My credit score now is about 720 and I still have about 4 gas cards and two vise/mc and I may used sometimes. My realtor tell me to closed these out well should I ?
  • Why keep something you don't need.
    Having an open credit card account that you don't use is like drinking that soda and never letting go of the can.

    Credit card free since 2006, and loving it! Looking for the day the CC companies goes bankrupt.. wouldn't that be ironic.
    Insurance companies and employers need to remove this Fico thing from their practice.
  • Unfortunately
    credit card companies will close your account if you are not using it.
  • credit card
    I have closed a wells fargo credit card have not used it for 3 years yet they bill me once a year for $18 for that card. I have called numerous times and written but they continue to bill me. I paid the $18 years last year what should I do
  • credit card payoff
    3 years ago we had our visa number stolen and we closed all of our accounts that we did not use. it did not change our crdit score a bit. still in the 800s
  • Credit cards
    I am closing my account because they are now charging a $60 fee!
  • Credit card
    I had a credit card that wasn't used for a year and when I tried to use it about three weeks after a year for a special it was closed on me and the bank charged me $35. So I got it reopened and got the $35 that was charged to me back into my pocket with a 3% cash back for 6 months then it goes down to 1% cash back after that. I think I'll just use that card about once a month just to keep it going. I did get a credit reduction from $11,500 down to $2,500 but that will increase again. Besides I kind of like my Star Trek card.
  • cards
    Is there any way to check to see if my credit card companies (I have 5 or 6 that have no annual fee) are going to start charging an annual fee? I'll be damned if I can read or even understand the mouse print in those disclosure forms they send me!! Any advice? I called the companies and they say "we don't know...blah blah read the mouse print..."
  • Annual Fee Cards
    I believe you can call the credit card company and most of the time they will replace your annual fee card with a no fee card. Granted this will probably be a no points/rebate card but you'll still have the open credit.
  • closing credit card accounts or not?
    Wow, it seems that a lot of people here disagree with you Clark?? whats up?
  • I disagree
    I feel that having credit cards is just playing with fire.

    If you pay them off and then leave them open, it's just opening up the possibility for you to just call up the provider and ask for another one!

    And then begins the cycle of spending and debt all over again. Maybe most people think they can be responsible with cards...

    Don't make that mistake. Sooner or later you'll get bitten. I've spent the last year of my life paying off credit card debt. Once I'm out, I'm cancelling all my cards. I never want to owe anyone ever again.
  • 20pts vs $60
    As long as you've still got plenty of available credit lines it won't hurt you very much at all if you close an account. Even if you did take a 20 point hit, 20 points isn't enough to make up for an annual fee unless you've got a low credit score in the first place.

    If it's got an annual fee, or worse, a minimum monthly finance charge, even if it's only fifty cents, ditch the card. You'll surely do what they're counting on and miss a fifty cent payment and end up paying a $40 penalty.

    If you want to make sure your credit doesn't take too much of a hit open another card, one without any fees, before you close the other account.
  • closing credit card accounts
    why pay yearly fees on an account you won't use???
  • Credit cards
    I have wanted to close the cards that charge yearly fees but affraid it might harm my credit score/
  • Play the game.
    I finally got lots of debt paid off. I had two cards cancel on me once I paid them off due to inactivity. I now rotate my cards. I use primarily one that pays back up to 4% on things and rotate the others once a month for a tank of gasoline or whatever. Pay then off as soon as the amount shows on the website before the statement comes out and I hope I'm playing the game and rebuilding my credit score for when I have to buy a car or whatever.
  • Dave - you're just wrong
    Closing paid off credit cards DO impact your FICO in the short term. If there is no other revolving (credit card) credit usage it will hurt longer term as well.
  • Using paid off Credit Cards
    Clark, I recall your advice on "paid off" credit cards that was not included here: your advice was: "Use paid off credit cards once every six months so the credit card company won't cancel the card holder and ruin a cardholder's credit rating." Perhaps, you should amend this advice to include the whole package of advice for us all on "how to handle paying off creit cards and maintaining a good credit rating."

    Love your show and emails: we love you, Clark!

    Jean M. Ferrara, Lawrenceville, GA
  • Closing Credit Card Account
    I took Clark's advice and left my credit card with a zero balance. Now my credit card company charges me a fee for NOT using my card. How to handle this Clark?
  • Credit cards
    Debt free 9 years and loving it. No credit cards. No credit score. Money in the bank. Not wealthy. Just smart.
  • Credit Score
    My husband & I have accounts only at the Credit Unions. They are great to work with. They will give your credit score anytime you need it.
  • my credit score dropped
    Recently I got a copy of my credit report. I was elated to find it was up to 815. Looking over it, I found a lot of really old credit cards that hadn’t been used in over 10 years. So, wanting to show a true representation of my current credit and thinking I was doing the right thing, I proceeded to close all these old zero balance accounts. Now, so you get an idea of my credit, over the last 8 years I have worked very hard to always pay credit card balances in full each month. The only thing I allow to revolve now is my mortgage. After closing all the old inactive credit card accounts, my credit score dropped 25 points!!!! Yes, I know 790 is still considered a good credit score. But, it was 815 before!!! I agree with Clark. DO NOT close old credit card accounts. It will take me a really long time to get it back to 815.
  • Closing credit cards
    I agree w/Eric. Remember, FICO rules get changed often. Besides, if you don't use them the credit card company will close them after 12-18 months. And who is dumb enough to pay an annual fee for a credit card they don't use.
  • I too am a disciple of the guy down the dial from Clark. I don't care anymore about my FICO. I will never finance another car, or buy anthing I can't pay cash for. If I were younger and needed good credit for a mortgage, I might rethink that, but not now. I can pay cash for my next house, so I don't care. I can find an insurance broker that doesn't use FICO to rate me. I wouldn't work for anybody that uses FICO in hiring decisions. I'm an engineer and my reputation is my industry means far more than having a FICO score to a potential employer. Any employer using FICO is too stupid for me to work for anyway.
  • Closing Credit Card Accounts
    I had over 20 credit cards. Some hadn't been used for years so I closed all of them but the two I frequently use. My credit score climbed from low 700s to low 800s. Like Dave, I think Clark needs to be aware and educate his listeners that closing credit cards is not all bad.
  • CC's
    I'm surprized that so many people are clueless about the effect of CC's on credit score...there are many articles out there on what they base the scores on and what good and bad things count..look it up, do a search on yahoo or google, this is the information age, if you rely on Clark to tell you everything your a moron.
    First closing a CC does not affect your score in a negative way IF you request it to be closed and you had a good history on it. the free credit report you can get (see clarks info) will show cards for the last 10 years and it will note if they were paid on time and if you requested the account to be closed. The ONLY ways it is bad to close a CC account is if you still owe on it, it is a old CC (older, more established cards rate better than newer accounts) or it takes your available credit down a big chunk (if you only have 2 cards and close 1)...you do not have to use them every month, that doesnt help or hurt but nowadays they may be cancelled for inactivity...they can sit in the safe for 6 months or a year at a time without negatives...on the other hand if you have balances every month that hit more than 20-40% of your available credit on your card that can be negative...they want you to have credit, but they don't want you close to maxing it out. The main thing that counts in the CC game is paying on time, dont miss a payment and pay your balance off every month if you can and your credit score will soar...pay late or miss a payment or 2 and watch it sink. That is the main thing the rest is nit picky crap that doesnt really count for much.
  • credit account
    I thought if you are not using them these days they will charge your account fews if you are not using them so you would have to start charging on them. If that happens I will just close them and I do not care if I have no credit. This is getting out of hand for the hard working people that try to stay out of debt. My accounts are old and I never use but one account for charging anything. Thanks
  • No Credit Card Debt
    Mom always said (40+ years ago )credit cards would be the "destruction of the banking system" Boy was she right ! We did it with CASH back then not plastic. If you didn't have the cash you didn't do it period !
  • Close credit card account
    How much and how long does it effect my fico, does it make sence to pay $60.00 a year for a card I do not plan on using? For what it's worth my credit score is almost 800.
  • HARD CALL?
    What does a person do? Either way you pay. If you have no credit, you will pay higher car insurance, deposits for things.

    If you have a credit card. You will pay interest on balances, yearly fees, and run the risk of credit card fraud. Plus, your name is out there in "sell your name land".
  • no credit card debt...
    but... I still keep a small credit balance on my credit card. I heard a caller on Clark's show say that keeping a *credit balance* on your card shows enough activity from month to month it keeps your score high, even if you don't use credit cards for purchases (I only use a debit card or cash, per Dave Ramsey's plan).

    I don't close my account, again because of something I heard on Clark's show: that my homeowner's insurance premium is based almost exclusively on my FICO score. I'm not yet wealthy enough to self-insure my home at this point.

    However, if my credit card company (Chase! Blecccchhhh!!) decides to start charging me an annual fee, I will close it anyway. I will just get a credit card from a credit union or something if that happens, and totally rid myself of Chase. I will NOT pay an annual fee. Period!
  • Closing Credit Cards
    It's simply crazy that there is no way in FICO land to tell that a customer fired a credit card. It's just plain wrong!
  • I will not pray to the FICO altar!!!
    I am debt free (except my house) and refuse to pray at the great FICO altar. The whole FICO game is a game the consumer loses if he or she plays. The only way you can get a higher score is to go into debt. Have a plan get out of debt and save and pay with cash. (it might take some self control "imagine that America!!" new concept.
  • Credit Card with Fee?
    Why would you ever have a credit card with a fee? Sounds ridiculous to me.
  • Another philosophy
    Here's another viewpoint about closing credit cards from one of the moderators at myfico.com. Conclusion: closing credit cards does not have the dramatic effect on your score that Clark suggests.

    http://ficoforums.myfico.com/fico/board/message?board.id=creditcard&thread.id=117125
  • Companies closing them for you....
    I have been in the process of paying off my credit cards. On one I had paid, I received a letter stating they were closing the account. This really made me furious since I paid over the min payment and was never late. They said the reason for closing was due to other revolving accounts with high balances. This is not fair when you are trying to pay off your cards and would like to keep them open for your credit history. I did not plan on ever using this card again even though I know it's a good idea to keep them active once in a while. By-the-way, it was a store credit card...
  • credit card closing
    After 17 years with Discover Card, never being late on any credit account, and with a credit score of 772, Discover Card reduced my credit limit from $12,000 to $500...so I closed it.
  • Closing Accounts
    This issue with closing credit accounts is not as much your credit history, that should stay intact after the card is closed. However, the reporting agencies do figure in your outstanding debt in regards to the available credit that you have.

    When you close paid accounts the amount of debt that you have increases in regards to your available credit.

    For instance:
    -a $300 balance against $1000 availble credit means that you are using 30% of your credit (pretty good).
    -if you close a $500 card you now have a $300 balance against $500 available credit. You are now using 60% of your credit (not so good).
    If, however, a card is charging fees or you (or your wife) can't control themselves in the presence of the plastic, it will be more damaging to your score to rack up the debt, make late payments, and/or increase the amount of credit used in regards to what you have available.

    Keeping too many open makes you a potential risk as well. Some inquirers may assume that you could easily put yourself into too much debt. 30% is good to shoot for.

    Regarding Frank's post: The stores, insurance companies, etc, are using your score to protect themselves. You must be informed when your scores will be accessed. You control who gets the information. If you don't want the company to get your scores don't sign the dotted line. However,the company may not be willing to do business with you.
  • FICO scores are a dinosaur
    The FICO scores are rapidly becoming meaningless numbers. People in CA are using their good FICO scores to purchase cheaper homes, and then walking away from the expensive mortgages they can't afford anymore! Real Estate short sales are no rigged to keep FICO scores high, even though the people have essentially defaulted on their loans. If the "universal" FICO scores no longer correspond with the default risk, what good are they?
  • credit card in litigation
    My credit card went into litigation which I am negotiating into a monthly payment. Will I be able to keep it open in this case?
  • closing credit card accounts
    I recently closed my CITI credit card account b/c they were adding an annual fee unless I spent $2,400./year. Keeping the account open didn't seem like a good idea, even though I knew it may affect my credit rating.
  • History counts, not just current
    Bob's CNNMoney link below is a good one - I have seen that info before. I think Clark is wrong on this one. Your closed cards count as part of your credit history. They don't just "go away" when you close them.

    As long as you have no debt, closing a card makes little if any difference in your credit score. It only matters when you do have debt outstanding, in which case closing a card can inadvertently raise your credit utilization ratio.

    And for anyone who thinks they don't need a credit score, dream on. Your score is used in auto and home insurance, employment, and even to sign up for a cell phone plan. Good thing or bad thing, it's the reality.
  • Credit Cards and Debt Free
    If you debt free, you do not need a credit score because you pay EVERYTHING with cash! Period.
  • The problem is with the credit bureaus.
    Businesses should not have the right to access your credit report whenever they please. The only time a business should be able to access your report is (1) with your permission and (2) only when an account is first opened. I know that the 3 credit bureaus profit from businesses constantly accessing our reports and scores... this is wrong.

    We need laws to prevent companies from freely accessing our reports without our permission. Just as with our medical records, businesses should not be able to freely look at our credit reports.
  • Store credit cards
    This all sounds fine to do is to cut them up but what do you do when you have store credit cards opened and your wife gets mad and goes out shopping and charged up a few store cards. The stores let you look up your account and access your credit, without the need for an actual, physical card.
    Any ideas on this one? Best to close these?
    thanks for any comments.
  • The Facts
    The bottom line is it DOES affect your FICO score if you close an account. There are 4 factors in determining your score. 2 BIG factors are length of credit history and available credit. if you have 2 credit cards, 1 you have had 12 years and one you have had for 2 years. Currently your credit history on those cards is an average of 7 years. If you pay off and close that card you have had for 12 years. You have just gone from a 7 year credit history to a 2 year history, greatly reducing your score.
    The same thing works for your balances. The bottom line is you want people to see you have available credit. If you close your cards you no longer have an established credit history. paying on time will only help you so much. It does make sense to close cards with an annual fee
  • Closing Credit Cards
    I am not going to let the banks hold my credit score hostage and neither should anyone else.
  • Not so fast there...
    The mantra among consumer specialists for years has been that closing a paid-off card will hurt your credit score. BUT (and notice that's a big ol' 'but') according to George Mannes at CNN Money, Fair Isaac has put paid to that old saw:
    "The most important point made by spokesman Craig Watts is that it's a myth that if you close a credit-card account, all trace of it disappears from your credit score."
    Watts also said that FICO uses *payment history* more than open lines... 10 years for good info; 7 years for bad.
    Anyone wanting the full skinny can cut and paste the following in their address bar:
    http://moremoney.blogs.money.cnn.com/2010/03/02/dont-sweat-it-canceling-a-credit-card-wont-hurt-your-score/
    BTW, to give due credit, I heard about this from consumerist.com...
  • it's stupid
    sorry but I close 2 of my recently pd off account becuase they were going to charge me an inactivity fee of almost $25/mo plus the annual fee. It's stupid to me that I have to pay for nothing. It would have been $42/mo for both if I'd left them open. My credit will bonus back and in the mean time I have extra money monthly. I'm not planning on buying anything in the near fututre so I'll be fine.
  • yearly fee
    Kelsey, often credit card issuers have other cards with no annual fee / minimum to spend to which you can re-brand your existing account. Just give them a call and ask to do just that.
  • credit cards
    The credit reporting agencies really need to change the way they factor closed accounts into your credit rating. You should not be penalized for closing an account to save money.
  • credit card
    what if your card is paid off, but you have an annual fee? woul dyou still recommend keeping it open?
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