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Oct 21, 2009 -- Majority of 401(k) holdings have now recovered

CLARKONOMICS: Vanguard has released a revealing report about what's happened with the typical person's 401(k) -- from the peak of the market to the bottom in March and now factoring in the recent run-up.

Those who bailed for "safe" choices in their portfolio when the going got tough missed the recovery. But those who stayed put in their holdings ended up making a full round-trip, according to the Vanguard Center for Retirement Research.

In fact, 60 percent of people are now even or up from where they were two years ago.

This just highlights (yet again) the wisdom of dollar cost averaging, where you invest in small amounts every pay period as you would with a traditional 401(k). When you dollar cost average, each dollars buys more when stocks are on fire-sale prices and less when they're overpriced during a recovery.

Of course, so much has to do with your age. Clark believes those who are under 40 are on the cusp of great opportunity for fantastic wealth. For those people aged 40-55, the volatility of the past two years has been more of a wash. And those over 55 who were heavily invested in stocks have suffered the most.

Look to international mutual and index fund choices for a meaningful position of your money going forward. This gives you a hedge against the weakening dollar and a chance to grow your portfolio based on what's going on beyond just here in the United States. Remember, the bulk of capitalist growth takes place outside America.

Finally, one stock you never want to have is your employer's stock in a 401(k) plan. So many people miss this message and later regret it. If your employer's fortunes falter, so too does your prospect of retirement.

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  • Read the article again, carefully
    I see a lot of bellyaching here from a bunch of people who don't understand anything about economics. Markets go up and down and have done so for hundreds of years in free economies. That is simple capitalism.
    It seems that a lot of people somehow drank the kool-aid over the last few decades that the markets could only keep going up and up. The market lost $11 trillion you say? I'd say that value wasn't really there in the first place, it was a product of gambling with leveraged funds.
    The most important thing for everyone who's down to notice is the 2nd to last paragraph. Invest internationally. Developing markets are cranking now, and the USA will not be the global economic driver in the future. Failure to recognize this shift will keep Americans poor in retirement.
  • 401(k)
    I find Clark's comment to be true in my case. My 401(k) plan jumped 15% in just the last quarter and is now about where it was before the crash. I have most of my 401(k) money in stock funds.
  • 401k holdings
    Poor Chris, poor,poor Chris.
    I hear there will always be the poor in spirit.
    I think his/her head is spinning.
    As for me: still haven't looked. I just keep dollar cost averaging each pay.
  • still down
    47% down a now 26% down, amer. fund
  • 401K rebound - NOT
    mine is still down 40%.
  • BofA 401k
    Check this site:
    http://www.fundadvice.com/401k-help/401k-plans/401k-bank-of-america.html
  • 401K
    My 401K is down more than 33%. It is with Bank of America...duh! Should I take the little that is left or wait for it to recover? I am 66 years old.
    Thanks
  • me again
    and for those of you who can afford to save 15-20 percent of your income in a 401K, good for you. Unfortunatly, most people can't afford to save that much because they have so many bills i.e., mortgage, electric, gas, trash sewer, insurance, cable, phone, car, student loans, child support, etc. that they can't save that much. What about those people. Well, i guess the free marketers would just say, "well, you shouldn't of got yourself in that situation. REALLY! In a world of equality, maybe.
  • P.S.
    And the ideas that "it could always be worse" or "anybody can get rich if they work hard enough" just aren't true! If you poor, you will stay poor. If you're middle class, then you will spin your wheels. and if you are rich, you will just get richer. People have to ask themselves "how much excess to i really need?" and "shouldn't the people of the world's basic needs (food, water, shelter, health, education) be met before i have excess?"
  • Clark is wrong!
    There seems to be a consensus here. People lost a lot of money they were depending on to retire, etc., and they haven't recovered enough. According to Clark, thing are well and everything is "Rossie". We as i've said before, Clark has a "big" interest in being a cheerleader for the free-markets because, if it wasn't for them, he would be on a level playing field with the rest of us and not RICH! As for myself, i am still down 33 percent including all of my contributions. Looking at other people's responses, if you have a lot of money, it's pretty easy to grow it into lots more in no time. Well, too bad i'm not getting rich or i would be "happy as a Lark" just like Clark!
  • STOCK SLAUGHTER
    ...lets wake up..people were down 50%...stock holdings....they need a 100% gain to have what they had OCT 2007. The funds they are in are still down 40%....they are losers..no gain in the markets since 1996.
  • 401(k)
    I have a set allocation between domestic & international funds and I am about 2% higher today than I was before the market crashed.
  • 401K
    I have been very lucky with my timing concerning my previous 401K and this one. I went the very safe way after the home foreclosure mess started. I have made 4% since 2004 but right now am in the MM fund so only 1%. I still believe we have not had the bottom fallout of the stock market concerning the economy, credit card defaults, foreclosures and bankruptcy filings. Plus the governments answer to the cash for clunk mess made no sense with destroying all the good used cars. So I will still stay safe until I see a positive change or the government goes like Argentina and seizes our assets. If more people read the government programs they offer they would see they can pull the plug or tax or seize whatever they want whenever they want. For the people only apples to the 100 senators, 435 congressman,woman and the rest of the group in D.C.
  • 401k
    My personal high was 5-30-08. I am still 12 percent behind that point with my contributions figured in.
  • 401k
    in fidelity freedom 2030 just dont seem to making headway contibute 400 a week and it seems to never grow am i nuts!!!!!!!!
  • Still way down. Even in my Vanguard Funds! Wishful thinking I think.......
  • Whaaat?
    Counting the contributions is pretty disingenuous; beyond damn lies, or rather, plain statistics.

    By rebalancing between equities and bonds every month or so, depending on which one was flat or up, I've managed to recoup my losses back to August 2008, not counting my contributions.

    However, this Great Recession (since "depression" is anathema), has started in October 2007, and I'm still some 20% below then.
  • where I'm at
    I'm 32 years old and have been working in the software industry for the same company I joined after graduating from college 10 yrs. ago. My wife and I both took major hits to our 401k's last year, but didn't sit back and watch it all evaporate into thin air. I took some out of the market and moved to cash and some to bonds. The timing for my own 401k was far better than my wifes. I decided to take her to cash in Feb/March 2009. Not Good!! Anyway, until this week were both back in the market. Last week I moved us back to cash. I feel like the market is over heated..too much too fast and I feel the market is due for another correction. For what it's worth, I have $230k and my wife has $172k. We have $250k in our taxable accounts. Most of which is also in cash as of last week. Before the crash last year we both had around $240k in each of our 401ks.
  • ...where you`re AT ??
    Shame on you ! The word "at" adds nothing and is incorrect. "...where you are."
    is the correct way to write that sentence.
  • Where I am at.
    Look just before the "AT" is where am I.
  • Where is he getting his numbers?
    I haven't touched my 401k, and although it is recovering, it's nowhere near where it was!
  • Average 401K Value?
    Pierre, I don't know the answer to your question though you are obviously way ahead of most your peers in your age 43. Furthermore if you stay single, continue to contribute $10K/year and stay diversified in a blend of growth stocks you can expect to have a healthy nest egg approaching $300K at age 65.
  • much does the average person have in there401(k)?
    Hey Folks, Just wondering how much does the "AVERAGE" person have in their 401k?. I have been saving since i was in my 20's, (43 now) and believe me, I am no millionaire to begin with but I just tried to save as much as possible. I currently have $243,000. I am up from the LOW of $140,000 when all this mess started and just down for my high of $260,000. God only knows where I "WOULD" have if this recession had not of happened! OK, here is my question: What does the average person have in their 401k? I am single never married, no kids, own my own home(at least the bank does for now) I have no other major outstanding bills. Where are you in the picture? I already know about 70-80 percent of my current income to retire theory. Where do YOU stand? I am just trying to figure out where we all are?...
    THANKS...
    Pierre~
  • Vanguard Numbers
    Vanguard is using the target 2010 fund with new contributions of $500 per month.

    So the round trip only applies to that fund and the investment conditions they stated.

    As always, look under the hood and kick the tires.
  • vanguards fuzzy figures
    how do you lose 40%,make back 30% & end up even? the math says your still down 22%.
  • Employer stock in 401(k) plan
    How does one avoid it? My employer places its 401(k) contribution in stock, and I do not appear to have any other option. Even when I try to rebalance, it appears that the stock contributions are locked in place, and I can't even sell it.
  • Negative Views
    Yes there are lots of negative views in my mirror. I have worked for the auto industry for a good part of my life and let go. Then I worked in the housing industry and we all know that story. I went to a state technical college to learn industrial inspection (NDT)and that went no where despite the hype and promises that were made in the class. So yeah I am a bit negative. I think many people will be until we either die or obtain secure employment. In the mean time I will take classes again to learn another line of work and watch SEC football on my foreign made HD TV. Can't even get a job a Whalemart right now.
  • 401K still a good thing
    I have consistently contriputed 17% of my gross pay. I am agressive in my investments and have over 40% in international funds and 30% in index funds. Disregarding contributions,I am up just under 15% for the year (received my statement last week). Best advice from my perspective is to maintain your contributio level and simply reallocate where future dollars go. I am far more pessimistic about the dollar then Clark.
  • Why is everyone bitter
    All the comments are so negative. Why is everyone so mad that the market went up 50%, isn't that a good thing.

    If your retired you wouldn't have 100% of your money in the market right. If your young its a great opportunity.

    The sentiment out there seems to be about the same it was in the early 80's when banks were failing, real estate was terrible, inflation was through the roof and no one saw things getting better but guess what...they got much better and they will this time. Times are scary and real tough but if your view is that they will always be that way from now on you will miss out on opportunities.

    The data they are looking at is not skewed, based on a 50% increase and additional contributions (90% of people are still working) many of us are back to even or better. Sorry but things will not stay down forever, they never do.
  • 401K holdings not really up
    Vanguard researchers must be looking at some skewed pie chart. Too many layouts, more layoffs every week. Their were serious cash outflows from the market because of layoffs. So the numbers are for the people would have had a comfortable living and have not cut back on retirement savings even in this turmoil market. Remember for everything that goes up (current market), it must fall (near future). Government will have to bail out banks next year and with more unemployment on the horizon, next year will show negative gains. Now its all about year end profits for the financials. Wall Street keeps beating estimates because they have been lowered that they must meet expectations. Changes in accounting have allowed better than expected bottom lines and with 20-30% lower revenues. Less consumers able to spend equal stagflation. Commodities will be driven higher on some propaganda even when supplies are plentiful.
  • BFD
    They're counting contributions... all this amounts to is an observation that those with low balances can overcome investment losses with additional contributions.

    Such a conclusion is neither revealing nor surprising. It says very little about actual investment performance.
  • Bull Feathers
    The Vanguard researchers probably studied those who had less than $10K or less in their plans and were still contributing, then the math makes sense. Start with $10K lose $4K, gain $1K then contribute another $3k, voila, you have come full circle! What about those retired unable to further contribute?
  • THE STOCK SLAUGHTER
    ...those studies are manure...Americans lost $11 trillion...and the market is 4,000 DOW points still below where they were.....still 30% to 40% under what they had in OCT 2007...lets get real, and not spew lies.....who is printingthis nonsense at Clark howard...a commission hustling "wealth manager"??
  • Look in the mirror
    Dave have you thought about what you can do to improve your own situation in your life. The "system" means we all have a shot at success not a promise. You have to use your talents to the best of their abilities. I will give your credit your listening to Clark that is certainly a step in the right direction. You can have a succesful life but no one said it would be easy. Just my thoughts.
  • I just wish my company would stop singing the blues and go back to matching 401k contributions.
  • Dollar Cost Averaging
    Well I'm 60 and, far from lagging in the recovery, I'm doing very well. I didn't dollar cost average but I did something similar - I did portfolio rebalancing. I had some money sitting in a cash balance retirment plan earning 4%. I cashed it in and paid tax on the non-qualified piece and put the money into the stock market to join my other equity money. I didn't time it perfectly as I missed the absolute bottom by 2 weeks but my equities are up sroughly 80% since March - beats 4%.
  • Dollar Cost Averaging
    Here again Clark if I am out of work every time the market goes down and I cannot contribute to an IRA until the economy recovers and I am re-employed then dollar cost averaging is not possible. We need a system of retirement that works for everyone. The systems needs reforming!!
  • When they say that the balance is even or up, they include the new contribution. It is not a true recovery.
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