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Sep 30, 2009 -- The taxpayer bailout of GM and Chrysler is a bust

CLARKONOMICS: The taxpayer bailout of GM and Chrysler has been a real bust. New figures from the Congressional Oversight Panel suggest that all $81 billion doled out by both former Pres. Bush and current Pres. Obama will be an almost complete loss.

Do we suddenly buy more cars because we have two more automakers? No. So how many jobs did it save to bail out two failed automakers? The answer is that it doesn't save any jobs.

How about the populist argument that "American jobs" were saved? Well, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mercedes and other foreign nameplates make their vehicles all over the United States. Meanwhile, GM makes cars in Korea for the U.S. market and Ford makes them in Mexico -- in addition to what each churns out at domestic plants.

It's a common refrain but Clark wants to sound it again: If you run your own business and you fail, do you get a bailout from Congress?

So why should the automakers?

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  • Automaker bail outs
    "...by both former Pres. Bush...."
    I don't remember Pres. Bush being involved in a bailout for auto firms. Perhaps I missed it? (Although I had a lot of b++ches about his terms, too.)
  • Greed is the problem?
    That's crazy. When did it suddenly become evil for a person (or a company) to want to take a risk and earn a reward? The problem is bailing out people who took extreme risks, made horrible business decisions, spent money they didn't have...and now that those actions have led to failure...they are being 'prevented' and protected from failing. Insane! The US economy is far bigger than GM or Chrysler...let them earn the failure they deserved. Greed has nothing to do with poor business, so stop the left-wing "hate those who make money" propaganda please.
  • Unions
    Well, *doh!*...of course it's easy to blame the unions, my "delta alpha" friend! When non-high skewl graduate assembly line dolts are pulling down $40+ per hour, and have a better retirement plan, and health insurance coverage than military vets---who put their lives on the line for these guys, to sit home, watch TV, and drink beer--yeah bud, it sure IS easy to blame the unions!
  • Unions
    Boy it is easy to blame the Unions for everything that is wrong with business. Greed is the problem and the Auto Industry is as guilty as the Banking Industry.
  • Positive Impact on Environment? Get real...
    How is there a positive impact on the environment to get rid of the clunkers? The damage done to the environment to produce BRAND NEW vehicles (factory pollution, producing new metal, new tires, new parts, shipping all parts to facility to make the car, etc) far outweighs the few gallons per mile saved on gasoline. The damage to the environment on an old clunker has already been done...
  • why everything has to be about $$?
    Please don't forget the positive impact on the environment by getting rid of the gas-sucking clunkers.
  • Clark's new radio station?
    Did I hear right? I could have sworn I was listening to Clark talking with Bill Handel on KFI. Something about Clark taking over the noon-time slot? We certainly could use Clark in the middle of the southern CA market. Please email me at dixiedee13@aol.com
  • Amen to Wall to Wall Cleaning
    Vote 'em out & vote in reps who will vastly reduce our govt size & obligations domestically and overseas
  • New Cars
    There are still two problems with new cars. Who would buy a new car now when nobody really knows if they will have a job for the next few years? The second problem is that they burn gasoline. Where is the guarantee that there will be gasoline for the life of the car? The so called shortage and lines last year taught us that we can no longer depend on gas for fuel.

    When the power struggle in Washington stops and the economy stabilizes and when an alternative reliable fuel is found, people will buy cars again.
  • Nothing is going to change with GM or Chrysler until the culture at those companies changes. With most of the foreign automakers, most of the profits are put back into R & D to make newer and better products. For GM and Chrysler most of the profits go to the excessive executive salaries, golden parachutes and cadillac health plans and pensions for the employees. Until that changes, they will be begging for more in no time. I don't want to see them fail, but until they help themselves, I can't feel sorry for them and don't think they should be getting bailed out in any way, shape or form.
  • Stop this madness
    Is there a revolution in the making?
  • American Auto Bailout
    Clark,once again you and your right wing buddies don't mention that the profits of Foreign car co's go overseas. Keep up the good work we don't need their money to stay in America.Another 13,000 jobs lost because of the Saturn deal that didn't work.You never did have anything good to say about American cars anyway.
  • Bailout
    It took a long time to get to this point, we are not going to in a few months. Give it some time.
  • Wall to Wall cleaning
    Without exception, next election all those in Congress and Senate are given walking papers. This is the most insane bunch we have ever had.
  • Financial Responsibility
    Please, someone step forward and take the reigns in DC and stop the madness. How can the politicians in good conscience do this? If the folks at home can see what's happening, why are they so blind?
  • Proof Our Politicians Are Bought And Paid For
    Who here honestly thought these bailouts would work?

    Who is going to take responsibility for this?

    I'm just so angry about these bailouts I wanna fricking scream. And on top of that 80+ billion we had "Cash For Clunkers," a smaller bailout on top of the big one. It was also a form of welfare to those who used it. Who took advantage of CFC? People who could ALREADY afford to buy a new car! What kind of program was that!? I'm a working-class guy who is lucky enough to live in a nice upper-class neighborhood, and all around me I have neighbors who used CFC to trade in their old beaters to grab a new third or fourth car with the discount. It also moved some dealers inventory but it did nothing spectacular, the only some dealers praised it was after they finally got paid by our government they wanted another. There was talk about another before the news of it's absurdity came out. Now we have a "Cash For Appliances" coming next month, so all the people with money can get discounts on a new appliances. I now have a vain in my head hurting, must stop.

    Until we rid these politicians out of congress and start electing THIRD PARTY candidates, we will continue this TWO-PARTY dictatorship. We are an embarrassment to our forefathers and the world!
  • Congress
    Well, I agree totally with David's comments. Our government needs to get a grip on their spending. We're allowing these congressment to stay in office and they just gave themselves a huge raise while many Americans go without every day. They should be ashamed of themselves. This government needs to start getting out of debt, not going more into it at the expense of the taxpayers. Cash for Clunkers, what a joke. Oh great more debt for the American consumer. Can you see I am cynical?
  • UAW
    You just have to accept that the members of the UAW are far more important than you are. Their "gold plated" health care, pensions and other perks must take precedence over the well being of you and your family. Nobody wants to hear you whine about you and your spouse both having to work full time to make ends meet. Suck it up. Maybe get jobs for your kids. The union members deserve every penny of those billions. No, no, no...wrong; they should not be held accountable for helping run the US automotive industry into the ground. All this reap what you sow nonsense is just ignorant. They voted for the anointed one. That is surely worth billions of your money. Another side benefit of keeping you working half the year for the government and forcing your kids to go to government schools is that you will not have time to pay attention to the fact that the US is headed toward bankruptcy.
  • It's All So Cyclic
    Just like in the great depression, over speculation, greed and little oversight to the process caused the U.S. economic engine to grind to a screeching halt. I, like many Americans, believe that those big auto makers should have failed and deserved to fail. They continue to sell sub standard gas guzzling products to the American people at astounding rates, while losing market share every year and now we have paid them handsomely for it.
    Just like the Great Depression, when we run out of money, perhaps the government will stop spending, the people will start saving, and the businesses will perhaps return to more honorable means.
  • Another Government Debacle
    $81 Auto Bailout fiasco resulted in mostly American vehicles turned in to purchase mostly foreign replacements. Only the government is capable of such a costly debacle, and incorrectly proclaim it a success.
  • Unlikely to end well!
    We live in a world with excess auto capacity and in a country, the US of A, where the auto industry is more competitive than any other country in the world!

    Chrysler and GM are, for many, many reasons no longer competitive. Ouch!
  • What to do?
    To a certain degree, Dave55 is right; if the government did nothing, the financial system might have collapsed and we might have a depression right now. China is still lending to us, because they have too much to lose right now.

    But, what about next time? Another Old Guy's prediction might very well happen because China is phasing out of US dollars. In fact, the Chinese are smart enough to start buying TIPS. They too see inflation skyrocketing in the future.

    I hate to say this, but America is the dead horse. And one day, China and Japan might stop urinating their money away. When I read that the FDIC needs to borrow money from "future fees", scared the heck out of me.

    So what to do? Of Another Old Guy's prediction comes true, how does one make money? I have no idea. Gold is fine as a hedge, but it's not an investment. My friend half-jokingly told me to convert to Chinese Yuan and buy a home for retirement in China.
  • Auto Bailout
    What? Say it ain't so! Money urinated away on a dead horse? Nah, Washington wouldn't do anything that stoopid...
  • Avoiding a world depression
    The initial bailout supported by Bush and added to by Obama was drafted in a time of unprecedented calamity in the economic markets. The thought of not only all the major banks, but also a pillar of American capitalism failing all at once would have been a true catastrophy that would take DECADES to get out of. The govt. simply had to get ahead of this tsunami with massive deficit spending. There was no other rational choice. Nobody wanted to do it except the paid lobbyists and lawyers who clean up no matter who pays them. It's crazy, but when we talk about 81 billion, its chump change compared to the bank and stimulus waste showered on the states by Uncle.
  • Give me a break!
    $81-billion of our hard-earned taxpayer dollars - WASTED. I was opposed to this BS when it was enacted, and when McCain voted for it, he lost my vote. Politics aside, I'm astonished at how much of our money the Feds are flushing down the toilet. Our grandkids will still be paying the interest on this insanity. The clunkers program was just an extension of this bailout, and $3-billion later, I don't see any benefit to that either. Chrysler and GM should have been allowed to die like any other failed business.

    Will this madness ever stop? The Feds are bankrupting America and people are actually going along with this nonsense!!! When will you stop supporting this insane spending spree??? When inflation hits 40% yearly? When gasoline hits $9.75 a gallon? When the prime interest rate jumps to 37%? When China and Japan stop buying our worthless paper and Social Security retirement checks start BOUNCING? What will it take to stop the madness???????

    I don't know about you, but I'm frightened to the core about the direction our Government is taking. How can ANYONE support what is happening???
  • My view on the Auto industry
    Tonight another nail in the coffin. Saturn is down the tube. Wasn't that a none union company?
    I think the clunkers program was a ploy to get the inventory off the dealers lots. I think those new cars were being financed by the banks and it was a dangerous situation all around.
    I now see very few new cars on the dealers lots.
    I think the congressmen are embarrassed by the money they are making from the wealthy lobbyists.
  • Auto Bailout
    I agree to point, however foreign nameplates send the bulk of the profit back home. Chysler was raped by its German owner so I beleive their workers are entitled to be saved and more likely to pay back the loan. GM tried to control the market with the number of brands but now does show better quality. Don't forget that these were unions who caused much of the problems. The break foreign makes got in low pay jobs made them better poised to spend more on quality.
  • What others are saying
    Welcome to socialism wrapped in polocies (yes, these are policies by Pelosi government) with fuzzy math. Let's find better President and Speaker than the last two we had next time.
  • Just think how much neat stuff our troops overseas could have to fight with for 81 billion dollars.
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