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Sep 30, 2009 -- Overdraft debit fees trump credit card fees for bank income

Debit cards are something that Clark has worried about for years. Years ago, the powerful banking lobby got one set of rules for credit cards long before the first debit cards came on the scene. That effectively made debit cards exempt from many of the protections afforded to credit cards.

Banks will approve transactions using a debit card when they know you have no money. They want to generate overdraft fees, which are a massive profit center.

The New York Times reports that banks now for the first time make more money from debit overdraft fees than from all penalty fees combined on all credit cards in the United States!

Bank of America was one proud pioneer of a computer program that automatically juggles your daily transactions to generate the most overdraft fees possible. Now three-quarters of all the giant banks approve overdrafts in a similar way. According to the FDIC, giant banks are getting an effective interest rates of 3,520 percent with these overdraft fees!

Meanwhile, Wells Fargo has a system where branch managers have their pay reduced for making too many concessions to customers complaining about overdrafts on debit cards, according to the same New York Times report.

Of course, let's not overlook the personal responsibility issue here. If you don't overdraw your account, you don't get ripped off. So keep close tabs on your money! If you don't want to keep a running tally, then go to a cash-only lifestyle.

As previously reported, Bank of America will begin allowing you to opt out of their overdraft trap, but you've got to specifically request it.

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  • debit overdraft fees
    just got off phone with boa. closing account due to overdraft fees. been customer for over 40 years and they juggled my balance which produced 5 overdraft fees of $175. Would credit me with three. I agreed to only 1 they would not budge even if it mean loosing loyal customer of 40+ years. talked with 3 different supervisors. fist one offered 3, second one offered 3 and the last one offered 3. I was requested by bank to make deposit within 5 days. I did it the very same day and they still charged me. Said i avoided additional fees by deposit made early. What a bunch of fooie. To add to the pleasure of communicating with the "supervisor" it sound as if he was on a cell phone with very poor reception. I cannot believe this is going on. I am 63 and on a limited income and frankly don't know how I can afford these fees. When I was requested to submit deposit. I was $1.41 in the red. Unbelievable
  • Free Market Society
    Just reading someone elses comment about liking a free market society. I too like the idea. But when big business can lobby congress to change the playing field to benifit them instead of allowing everyone a equal opurtunity, then that is NOT a free market society and those costs are passed on to the consumer while driving a small compettor out of business. The way to fight it is to stand up to them and NOT do business with them. If everyone who felt bad about banks charging higher fees just removed their money from a bank and yhen the banks would have no money to loan, they would soon go out of business. Kind of like when the wrote crappy home loans.
  • Bank Fees
    Americans need to wake up. Big Companies just want to take our money. I recently closed all Chase (and any other) bank accounts until they start playing fair. 1 NSF fee and they will have made more off me the I ever would on intrest in a year. I bought me a safe, cash my payroll at Walmart for $3 andwill never give a bank intrest free money again.
  • I refuse to carry a debit card. Credit cards, YES, ATM card requiring a password, YES, debit card, NO WAY. Bank of America assessed $625 in my daughters checking account because she hedged deposits against written checks.
    Back and forth the checks went and generated penalties. I paid the fines, scolded daughter (2 BUSINESS DAYS for the deposited checks to clear), then dropped BofA and took my $100,000 elsewhere.
  • Hey debt free - you sound like one of those bank managers!!!
    If the guy paid a $2 fee. Then paying $3 is paying 150% of the previous fee.

    You go do the math!!!!
  • BofA opt out - Oct 19????
    I called BofA, and the rep said to
    call back on Oct 19 because they
    cannot opt out of debit card overcharge
    until then????
    Is that correct, or did I get an
    untrained rep?
    thanks,
    gordon
  • Opt out w/ other banks
    I found out from Wachovia (owned by Wells Fargo) that you also have to request it, for each debit card you have for each account. So if you and your spouse both have debit cards for one or multiple accounts, the individual card owner must call the bank to opt out each card for each account individually. I found this out after calling them screaming about the scam building $150 in fees. I had to ask whether or not this type of policy existed, then they said 'yes' and explained how it worked. They did not offer it up to me on their own. So call your bank and ask if they do as well.
  • Debit Cards, etc.
    "As previously reported, Bank of America will begin allowing you to opt out of their overdraft trap, but you've got to specifically request it."
    Better yet, consumers should just opt out of Bank or America.
  • Bank manipulation of credits/debits/nsf fees
    Right up front I'd like to say that I totally agree with those who are advocating personal responsibility regarding keeping and maintaining a "clean" checking account. I recently made a recording error in my check register, a mistake anyone could make. As a result I was about four bucks short to cover a small debit card purchase. The bank seen this in the "pending transactions" and decided to charge me the 38 dollar nsf fee before they took any of the five "pending transactions" out. I had enough money for four of the five, UNTIL they took the nsf fee. All five transactions were then nsf, and to top it off, the bank charged nsf's for the nsf that they debited my account. I ended up with over 300 dollars in nsf fees, and am trying to get SOMEONE at the bank to tell me when I will be hit with others(so far the bank has only charged me for six of the ten overdrafts. I believe they are waiting for me to once again get below 200 dollars so that they can wallop me with them at that point creating more overdrafts). I am willing to pay for my clerical error and get on with my life, however the bank seems to want to keep bleeding me indefinatly, consistently posting their nsf charges and debits before the money that I keep depositing as I try to get this mess cleared up. Now, again, I admit that I made a mistake, but should I have to pay a penalty of 300 dollars for a 4 dollar addition error? I don't think so!
    At some point some consumer protection laws need to bypass the powerful banking lobby, so that this kind of extortion is no longer legal.
  • Get The Word Out=^..^=
    My hope is knowing that once the word is out concerning all these covert games that these large financial companies play on the average uninformed (and informed) citizen maybe these practices will soon stop. We as citizens have to start getting angry and letting them know we won't put up with it anymore. We have to stop being so complacent.
  • debit cards
    The best solution to this is to seperate your debit cards from your credit cards and never, never use your debit card for other than banking business - -never for a gas station, never for a grocery store - if a gas station does not take a credit card, use cash or go to another station. I have never had an overdraft fee and i am also 71!!!!
  • debit cards
    Solve the problem by having an equity LOC above your checking account which kicks in if you go over your balance. Problem solved - no overdraft fees! If you don't pay it back immediately, at least the interest is deductible. Of course, you need to be disciplined to make this work!
  • check you math Rohn Stewart
    Rohn, an increase from $2 to $3 is only a 50% increase, not 150%. $1 is 50% of $2, therefore when you increase the fee from $2 to $3, you have increased by 50%.
  • Bank Overdrafts
    I received an overdraft fee from one of the large banks when the account never showed a negative balance
  • yawn, yawn, yawn
    I'm not leeching off anybody, and I don't work for any freaking bank. You've just made my point by whining about your hamburger and you didn't even notice it. I don't go and splurge on any hamburgers at all, I brown-bag what I cook myself unlike "unfortunate" doctors and lawyers who are wasting on lifestyle purchases more that they make.
  • Securty Code
    Your securty code is written in CAPITAL LETTERS , does not work (sometimes) when I type Upper case letters, only when I use lower case.

    Please state: "Use lower case letters when typing code."
  • WellsFargs upped ATM fee 150%
    You are reporting that Wells Fargo is reducing their over draft fees. Now, please report that WF has increase the fee for the withdrawals from ATM from $2.00 to $3.00 each transaction. This is an increase of 150%
  • Amazed
    "I cringe every time Clark's team routes to him yet another call from the real deadbeats" Wow, what big bank do you work for? Shame on you. I am glad you make your living in a profession leaching off hardworking Americans. Unfortunately many people in all income brackets are living paycheck to paycheck, especially those with small business' who are desperately riding out the rough economic times.

    During this recession I have seen friends who are doctors and lawyers receive payroll checks that have bounced, they in turn have received checks from large insurance companies that bounced to them causing a ripple down effect.

    I actually cut my debit card in 1/2 about a year ago from this exact problem. I was charged over $500 in 1 night of posted transactions with my bank in NSF fees. I had 1 large item the bank covered out of transaction order to bounce all the small transactions. It really sucks paying $5 for a hamburger and then having the bank charge a $35 overdraft fee.

    The bank actually reversed the charges after days of arguing.

    I am not really sure how this has been going on for so long but it seems like it would make some class action attorneys very rich.
  • overdraft fees bank is nothing
    local gas jober food and gas inc (marvin huwett co.) charge $1000.00 nsf fees to gas station operator for gas invoice and they stop gas supply on top of using credit card money for 3 to 14 days they will find every way to charge $1000.00 and the excuses is they want to teach disiplin to operator i have paid more then $200000.00 in last 3 year i have to go down because of this.law is blind its in favor of big co.they will try to hold credit card money as much as posible and excuses is we have so many account to take care.when they owe you money they dont worry but when you owe them money they get you.
  • another yawn
    I care not about credit unions. Don't understand them and don't wish to. I like the convenience, like I said before. I'm not going to waste gas driving to a CU 20 miles away just to "show them, big capitalist bad banks". I also know what it is like being poor. I am still poor. But I also have pride and discipline and self-reliance and appreciation of the free market society, having come from former socialist nightmare and knowing all about the "beauties" of your socialist ideals. No thanks, not in this country, not again.
  • Big Banks vs. Credit Unions
    There are advantages and disadvantages to any banking option. Personally, I like dealing with my large bank (BofA) because in just about any city in the US or Canada, I can find a no-fee ATM. If I never left town, I would use my credit union. Really, I don't understand people that don't know how much money they have in their account, and don't think to set up any overdraft protection, and then blame the bank for their own incompetence.
  • Spending
    Real easy, DON'T spend more than you make. You will never overdraft.
  • Dump Big Bank And Go Local
    More than a few of the comments below seem to not understand or care about the overdraft scams that some banks have going, it's a shame they call poor/struggling people living on a budget who get screwed over by a big bank "deadbeats" and "stupid." I use to be poor and I was great with my money than as I am now, and I have gotten screwed over more than once in the past by BIG banks.

    We bailout the banks with a trillion and we actually have idiots calling people who live paycheck to paycheck names. How capitalist of you all.

    I have used First Bank, now America or US. US Bank and Wells Fargo. Had issues with them all so one of my past employers suggested a credit union, nothing but satisfaction ever since.

    The person below obviously knows little about credit unions.
  • to Overdraft
    Rare, you're not alone. I cringe every time Clark's team routes to him yet another call from the real deadbeats - i.e. people who first spend themselves into the toilet, then whine and ask for help. I don't work for
    banks, I only use them. They don't get a single penny from me, they only pay me in points and cashbacks.
    Only use local bank as means of depositing an occasional rebate check, then channel it to a real bank - internet-based
    who give me a meaninful %. Only use credit for the convenience of it and the protections. Lot more practical and safe than to carry cash around. People who scream about evil banks are spoiling it for the rest of us.
    We already see the result of heavy regulations in the form of reduced benefits and canceled cashback. It's only going to pressure banks into punishing the responsible people for the childing behaviour of the irresponsible.
  • OVERDRAFT
    Looks like I am the only one on earth that pays all he owes on all credit cards each billing cycle. No interest or overdraft stuff for me.I am referred to as a deadbeat by the credit billers.
  • Give me a break!
    I don't see a problem with Banks or Credit Unions making money off of stupid people who can't seem to balance a checking account. This, after all, IS the agreement you have with the Bank/CU when you opened the account, no?

    My solution (and has been for 20+ years) is simple: return to a cash-only basis. I either pay cash or debit my checking account directly over the internet. Trying to maintain a paper-ledger is difficult at best, and unless you use the computer to keep track of your balance, mistakes happen.

    Another good alternative that I've tried in the past is to set up auto-pay on all monthly accounts and have them charge everything to a credit card. That way, you pay once a month (in full!) and nothing ever bounces. One payment to Mr. VISA and you're done. Caviat: run a balance and you're hosed.
  • Yawn
    All you have to do, is keep track of what you have, thats it, if you had nothing in your pocket, you spend nothing, no one gets a free loan, not even me, so bite the bullet if you overdraft
  • Yawn
    Banks can make money just like credit unions. There is no need to use software to mess up with their own hard working customers? Gimme a break!
  • sounds good to me
    i think it's great that banks make money on credit card fees and overdraft fees. banks need to make money somehow, so they might as well make their money from other people. i use wells fargo only for their safe deposit box, and don't want to see that fee go up.
  • Yawn
    To me you sound very "partial" although you call yourself "non-partial".
  • Yawn
    Yes, personal responsibility should be the primary concern here. There would be no convenience of credit / debit cards if there was no money in this game for the issuers. Let them earn their buck of the ignorant. Everybody knows the rules of the game when they start borrowing money / care not about their balances. You screw up, you get punished. As simple as that. If we dissallow banks to be profitable, they'll be no banks.
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