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Jul 01, 2009 -- New lighting rules, sun farms create energy efficiency

Two new developments highlight how we as a country are finally getting on the ball with energy efficiency.

First, there are new lighting standards coming that mean traditional incandescent bulbs will be phased out. The traditional Edison bulb was miraculous in its time, but it's a real energy hog. In addition, recessed lighting will have to become more efficient, as will fluorescent tube lighting.

(Editor's note: There are diverging opinions on the fate of the Edison bulb. The New York Times reports that new designs for the traditional incandescent can allow it to be up to 30% more efficient than older counterparts.)

Clark has CFLs all over house, plus he's trying out four LED lights. The early LEDs are proving to be as poor as his early CFLs were -- that's the danger of being an early adopter. Some of his first CFLs installed in 1998 take a full 2 minutes to warm up from dim light to interrogation-style brightness.

Second, the feds are setting up an expedited procedure to have sun farms throughout the Southwest producing solar energy. One of the longstanding problems to getting these going was the "not in my backyard" mentality. But the feds are now dedicating their own land for the farms. The goal is to have 13 sun farms under construction by next year.

Clark first saw solar energy in the Middle East during the late '70s. Since then, new developments with rotating solar receptors to catch the direct path of the sun have made it an even smarter idea.

As the consumer champ has said many times before, he doesn't care about the environmental angle of becoming energy efficient. He's just interested in our national defense as we seek to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

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  • CFL's don't fit lamps and fixtures
    Doesn't anyone in government or industry realize CFL's won't fit in many light fixtures and table lamps. Many of my lamps and fixtures won't hold today's CFL's. What will we do when incandescent bulbs are phased out?
  • CFL'S and mercury
    These thing are FULL of mercury and made in China, where the quality of the product is poor. They have taken mercury out of thermometers and warn you about eating to much of it in some kinds of fish. Now the government is going to FORCE these things on us!!!!
    If they break, which is very probable, you have to go through several specific steps for cleanup. It is considered hazardous material. And it could cost you a great deal of money for the necessary cleanup which someone else has to do.
    In the last 8 years, the government has given us 56,000 new regulations.
    Stock up on incandescent light bulbs before this regulation takes effect in 2010!!!
  • CFL bulbs
    These bulbs are a joke. They will say "equal to a 60 watt" when in reality they are only equal to a 40 watt. There was a recent article in a local paper that said if you changed 5 bulbs to CFL you would save a "whopping" $25 a year on your elec. bill! Also, figure the high cost of the CFLs and you come up with a negative savings figure. CFLs also do not create heat for our chicks. You need regular bulbs for the reflector heaters. Now we'll need an extra heater besides the stupid CFL lights for our chickens. STUPID!
  • CLF bulbs
    Maybe CFL's are the best thing in the world - in which case, they would NOT need to be mandated.

    Keep both products on the market and see which one the consumers want.

    We don't need or want government to tell us how to live. !!!!!!!!
  • Wow, is anyone here paranoid?
    This is pure silliness. People screaming that it's their choice if they want to use as much energy as they please and to do anything to stop it is no less than fascism. Really?

    First off, they're not stopping it, buy as many LED lights as you please, turn the inside of your house into a tanning bed if you want. I don't care, and neither will the feds.

    Is there a problem with limiting the amount of mercury, which is proven to be directly linked to memory problems and alzhiemers, being released into our groundwater from improperly disposed of CFL's? Remember, they're not just getting rid of incandesants, they're also phasing out CFL's.

    Wait, why am I wasting my time here . . . if I'm not Hannity, who cares what I have to say right?

    OK, how about this, you're right, America stinks. Too many rules to abide by, I can't murder people if I feel like it, I can't buy the kind of light bulb I want . . . time to move to Mexico.
  • Wake up and smell the Fascism baby!!
    Are we finally starting to pay attention in America now? Now this "ECO-Friendly", "green" crap is being rammed down our throats so they can implement their Cap and Trade BS tax and take even more control over US. Al Gore just said in a speech over sees that this cap and trade BULL is a step towards "global governance". Don't believe me? Look it up and then tell all your friends this MUST stop NOW!! And Mr. Clark may I remind YOU SIR that you made your money and live in the USA! This energy bill, our forced retirement, and this Cap and Tax is an abomination to a country that touts itself as FREE!!! Isn't that your favorite word Clark, Free? Well how are we free when the government forces us to do anything? You may think it is good to force people to save for retirement or save on energy (are you all giddy over the government adjusting thermostats too?) but sacrificing freedom for it? NO!! We could get off foreign oil by drilling here and we could give great incentives for saving for retirement, but that would give people the power which is exactly what are increasingly fascistic government loathes. Wake up Clark and smell the death of your favorite word here in America....FREE!!!!!!
  • Availability
    Last week when I was looking for a replacement light fixture I had to drive to three home stores, which meant driving a LONG way, we live in the country.

    I was looking for a fluorescent light fixture to replace one that failed in our kitchen and was installed when we built the house in 1994.

    The fixtures to replace the "standard" lights used in our kitchen were not available in any local store. I had to drive 25 miles, one-way, to find a store that had ONE. I would have liked two, but one was all they had. The employee at the store said that fixtures accepting that type of tube are speedily being phased out, as are the tubes. She suggested I buy a box of 10 tubes, which happened to be a great bargain. One tube was $6.95, and a box of 10 was $12.95!

    Those lights ARE being PHASED OUT in a HURRY, and our kitchen has 12 of those fixtures! I can't afford to replace all of those, and even if I did, the light provided would be inferior. It is unfair of any government agency to impose such changes that cost the homeowner and accomplish nothing, except perhaps line the light manufacturer's pockets.
  • Bright light
    I like to read and the CFLs aren't bright enough to see the page.
  • Subtle danger
    There are some in the medical field that are wary of the new light bulbs because they may interrupt circadian rhythms and contribute to sleep loss.
  • Let us decide!
    I am so sick of government, government agencies & so-called efficiency experts telling us what to do. Personally, I am concerned with mercury from the CFLs. And does this mean I have to get all new lighting fixtures in some cases like for my dining room fixture and outdoor lighting? For those who want to convert & pay extra money for all new fixtures & risk leakage from mercury if they break, fine. But for those who do not keep the old bulbs on the shelves.
  • I'm converting to torches
    I'm converting all my electric lights to incandescent torches; i.e., burning oil-soaked rags wrapped around the end of a stick. Not only will I maximize my carbon footprint (a point of pride with me), but I'll be ahead of the curve when the nanny state returns us to a feudal society.
  • LED nightlights
    A 4-pack costs 10years each. Of course they are not as bright as a 7 watt incandescent, but do provide enough for my purposes at home. Now, I use the old 7 watt ones when traveling!
  • LED nightlights
    A four pack of LED nightlights were 10 years. I put my old 7 watt ones in each piece of luggage to use when traveling...
  • Cap and trade
    Folks, do some research: it is not cap and trade, it is cap and tax. And show me one tax that was ever repealed when the so called vision was achieved.
    Politicians are very crafty at getting us to believe they are helping when in reality they are only stealing more money.
    How about lets send a message about fiscal responsibility: no cap and tax.
  • CFLs are Ok, but....
    They do NOT work in some situations and so a complete phase out of Edison bulbs is crazy. Don’t underestimate the hazards of mercury either. Try putting one on a dimmer. I recently served on a jury and watched with amusement as we all had to wait for the lights in the courtroom to “heat up” after viewing video taped testimony. A big taxpayer waste of 2 or 3 minutes. Let’s be pro-choice, shall we?
  • Solar Power Farms
    Solar power generation costs 20 - 25 cents per kwh to generate compared to current 7 to 10 cents per kwh. One way to stop the pollution of coal fired plants is to build more nuclear J(the truly clean power generation) or more hydro plants. Forget the CFL - my choice is to have all dimmable lights in my house and incandescents fit the requirement and much cheaper.
  • Re: Cap and Tax
    What I want to know is if this POOR Cap and Tax bill doesn't work like they claim it will. Will all of you supporters then line up to have it repealed? I doubt it since you would never concede no matter what. Me thinks that anyone that chooses to live under socialism should simply move to an European country and leave the US alone!!
  • CFL vs. Halogen
    I use CFL's in my house, and always tell people how great they are. Until I talked to a lighting consultant the other week.
    Halogen on dimmers are the way to go. Brighter light output, so you can turn down the dimmer, and they will use almost as much power as a CFL, and they cost less per bulb!
  • lamps
    I changed everything possible to CFL's a couple years ago and watched the electricity bill drop around 15%. Have also installed 3 LEDS from Costco. The light is great although the "output" per lamp might be a little less. LEDS draw almost nothing in electricity. I saw a study once if the whole country would change to LEDS maybe 30% of the countries power plants could shut down. The feds need to fuel the growth of these LEDs ASAP:
  • CFL Lights
    I've used CFLs for four years now. I never pay over 99-cents each and our PUD let's us trade them in for a new one when they die. I'll wait awhile for the LED lights until they are affordable.
  • LED's
    I purchased and installed 3 LED recessed (look like flood lights) in my kitchen and absolutely love them. The light is whiter and brighter, they don't give off any heat and are much cheaper to use..I hope advancements in ever area of these lights advances soon because they are great.
  • CFL disposal
    I never seem to get the life out of a CFL that the package promises, and wonder if they really pay back based on reality. The other issue is "proper" disposal.

    when I was little we'd spend Saturday mornings driving to dumps (no trash pick up in those days), but that meant more than one since they all took something different. If we dispose of CFL's properly, plastic properly, electronics properly, paint properly, and all the rest, we'll be using all our gas to throw away trash.

    The consistent error government makes is to regulate what consumers can buy, yet paradoxically leaving the disposal infrastructure up to the market to develop.

    Much like the hybrid car myth, true efficiency must be measured across the total life cycle of a product, not just during the period of consumer use. Raw materials, manufacturing, distribution, retail, installation, use, and disposal. For example, the average vehicle does not use as much energy during its useful life as was used to manufacture it.
  • Wake up and smell the mercury from incandescents
    Everybody seems all worked up over the fact that cfl's have a tiny bit of mercury in them. Well, half the electricity we use in this country comes from burning coal, which pumps mercury into the air from the smokestack. When we hear about fish being unsafe to eat because of mercury levels, that's a consequence of all our coal-fired power plants. Because incandescents use so much more electricity, if you count in the power plant emissions from their electricity consumption, incandescents release roughly four times MORE mercury than what's in a cfl. And that mercury is in the form of hot, reactive mercury vapor, getting spewed across the landscape, while the mercury in a cfl is in a form that is easy to deal with at the end of its life -- just turn it in for proper disposal! And to put it in perspective, a thermometer has 500 milligrams of mercury, while a cfl has about 4 mg.

    Most cfl's are excellent quality now, but unfortunately there are still a few models on the market that are poorly made, and when someone has a bad experience with one of them as their first cfl, it tarnishes their whole impression of this fantastic technology. I think we need some kind of rating system to separate the good from the poor cfl's, or the industry should police itself better.

    My house is lit 100% with cfl's and I think they're great. (I've tried LED's and I agree they're not ready for prime time yet.)

    Oh, and one other thing that's not been widely reported. These solar farms Clark's talking about use a technology called concentrated solar thermal electricity, which uses mirrors to concentrate the sun's heat, and the heat is converted to electricity. The beauty of this system is that the solar farm can store that heat in big underground tanks of hot liquid, and convert it into electricity as we need it to feed the grid, so this is solar electricity that's available at night or whenever we need it, 24/7. Of course it works best in the desert, which is where all these new solar farms are being located. Concentrated solar thermal, along with wind power, have HUGE potential as the basis for a clean, nonpolluting replacement for coal and other fossil fuels in our electricity grid.

    To Clark I say, thank you for talking about these things, and remember, cleaning up mercury pollution and greenhouse gas pollution IS national defense!
  • Bulbs
    Ugly, ugly curly-cue bulbs are overrated, overpriced, underperforming and overly toxic (mercury) than the beautiful and simple incandescent. Give me freedom!!
  • Don't Waste Your $
    Like the comment below, there are many other ways to save both energy and cash other than switching to the over-priced and over-rated CFL's and LED's. Buy up and use the old light bulbs, proper wattage of course, for as long as you can, then by the time you run out of them a newer more plausible lighting solution will be here. Until then just conserve as best you can.
  • Light bill re-visited
    My earlier example of light usage was an extreme to make a point. Who's going to leave 5 lights on for 10 hours each day for the whole month? And it still didn't add up. My bill for just lights is more like $6 per month. Given a supposed savings from 80% greater efficiency with CFL's, I would save $4.80 per month. Clark claims that's "tons of money".

    If you are so concerned with $4.80 per month, change your thermostat by 1 degree and you'll save triple that. Take a bag lunch just once a month and you'll save more than that. Keep your refrigerator door closed and you'll save.

    It does not add up. Lights are an insignificant part of the power bill.
  • LED's
    I spent $6 for an LED bulb...it lasted 4 weeks before it burnt out and would not work....took it back...got a replacement....that one lasted 6 weeks....took it back got my $6 back. Thought these things were to last forever with their strange bluish glow.
  • Lighting
    This should not be a mandate! Were is our freedom to choose as we desire...and pay the cost? CFL's do not allow you to dim them (at the current time); I know...I tried and it immediately blew. They contain mercury and have to be disposed of in a special way. Leave it to government to apply rules with unintended consequences.
  • CFL cause cancer
    •Fluorescent lighting enhances tumor formation (Wiskemann A., Sturm, E., Klehr, N.W.,
    1986 Cancer Research and Clinical Oncology)
    •Fluorescent lighting contributes to agoraphobia (Hazell, J., Wilkins. A.J., Psychology & Medicine, 1990
    •Increase in breast cancer rates among night workers exposed to fluorescent light
    (O’Leary, et al American Journal of Epidemiology, 2006)
    (Note: it is currently postulated that the distorted spectral distribution of fluorescent light disrupts the body’s circadian rhythms through melatonin suppression which causes hormonal shifts resulting in increases in breast cancer. )
    •Circadian disruption caused by fluorescent light in the built environment contributes to breast cancer and endocrine disruption (Stevens, & Rea, Cancer Causes and Control, 2001)
    •Fluorescent lighting caused increased stress in humans. (Basso, M.R. Jr., Journal of Neuroscience, 2001)
  • CFL's
    We tried the multi-packs of CFL's from Costco. They have been burning out MORE frequently than our incandescents! We live in the cool NW, and the warm up times are annoying. I want light when I want it, not minutes later. I plan on stocking up on incandescents, unless LED's get ready for prime-time.
  • mostly CFL now
    I have CFLs in every socket that isn't on a dimmer. According to the math, each one is like $50 in my pocket.
  • incandescent vs CFL
    I have half incandescent and half CFLs and 4' tubes in my house for 5 years. I am puzzled, but I have noticed that my compact CFLs and 4' flour, tubes burn out a little faster than my incandescent bulbs with the same hours of use on each type. I can't figure out why. Also, I have read that incandescent bulbs are more efficient in cases where you only need them on for a minute or so, such as in a hallway or closet.
  • CFLs
    CFLs will likely eventually work and the efficiencies will help. They may be the stepping stone to solid state assuming the hazardous mateials in their full scale manufacture will be solved. This can be solved if handled based on true risk.
    It is interesting to note the huge hysteria over a few ato-grams of mercury in vacines, tuna, and the sealed amounts in microswitches and termometers compared to the amounts being dispersed in CFLs. Too, bad we can't logically discuss the full issue of a material or problem in our society.

    It is further intersting that we are considering shading huge areas of land surface from natural flora and fauna access to sunlight while denying a few acres to liquid/gas fossil fuel exploration and development.

    Fossil fuels are finite and society should move away from simple burning. But, many think that messing with the electrical grid via fickle wind and solar will somehow solve energy independence. No amount will help until we start powering our transportation sector diferently.

    As to nuclear, it's utimately going to be the answer as Jon mentions. Given a level risk playing field and well managed (and existing) reprocessing, and known fast reactor technology we can have millenia years of energy at necessary levels to suppport modern society around the world.

    And, by the way, man's emissions of CO2 have not been shown to have any direct causal link to climate change, either up or down.
  • CFLs
    These bulbs don't work well for my outside lighting around the house in winter with a motion detector. Inside life is good.
  • cfl's are worth it
    With the CFL your only using 21.6% of the energy. 13W CFL = 60W incandescent What a savings. The price of these bulbs have gone down tremendously and SCE has a program where they sell them very cheap. The other day I bought a 4-pack for a 1.99. I ended up buying 10 4-packs.

    I don't understand all the naysayers. Incremental savings add up. Also don't have a clue how you can say Clark is a secondary source of information. If he were governor of California, this great state would be in better shape. Thank you Arnold for irresponsible spending and taxing. Maybe you should be a good role model and sell your fleet of hummers.
  • Energy Independence and Greeness
    From an applied scientist's (i.e. nerdy engineer) view it seems to me that if we believe that oil and coal are finite resources and the accepted science indicates that coal, oil, biomass, etc. all is stored solar energy over millions of years then how are we going to come to rely on solar power as a primary steady state energy source? When you look big picture it is hard to see nuclear energy not being a primary energy source for the future. It is releasing much more energy per unit mass than all of the other chemical energy technologies. To me it seems illogical to put our public policy emphasis on undeveloped technologies that we do not know will be able to provide the required energy for growth and arbritarily cut off support for an energy source that is proven to provide the requisite supply. Why can't the policy place faith in development of disposal amd management strategies for the waste generated from nuclear power. It is wholly illogical.
  • CFL's
    To Eric's example:
    Still, if that $18 could be cut to $4 (just over 20%) you would save $14 each month. That is almost 10% of your bill. Now if a majority of people could do the same, I would call that "tons of money". 10% is not insignificant, especially when you are talking about something nationwide.

    In addition, certainly the five CFL's could be purchased for $15, right? That would give you about a 1 month payoff! I haven't bought any in a while, so that may be off. Even a 2 month payoff is good. If the power company offered to dicount your bill by $14 each month for the next few years for an upfront charge of $15 wouldn't you take it?

    I'm not advocating cap and trade, a bunch of government funded solar and wind farms, or mandated CFL's, but the CFL's do provide a real benefit.
  • Nothing wrong with incremental changes
    Eric, I think you're the one that is way off. OK, so changing everything over to CFL's represents a minor increase in efficiency. Good! After that, we can make small improvements in other things and in a short while it will all add up to a lot. Japanese car makers incrementally improved their cars over time and it's paid off big time as anyone see. Trying to hit home runs all the time instead of steadily hitting singles is a short-sided philosophy endemic in America.
  • Solar and wind don't add up
    Clark, you're way off base saying CFL's will save "tons of money".

    Let's take a 100-watt incandescent light bulb. That's .1 kW. Leave it on 10 hrs a day. That's 1.0 kW-hr. 5 light bulbs on for the same time makes 5.0 kW-hr. Do it for 30 days and we're up to 150 kW-hrs. At 12 cens per kW-hr here in Fla., we're at $18.00. My monthly power bill runs near $150 per month. Since my example is an extreme of wasteful usage, take half of my total, or less. It doesn't add up. Even if CFL's were free, it is an insignificant and minor part of the power bill. A/C, water heater, and refrigerator are the big ticket items.

    In the same vein, a gasoline engine is about 28% efficient. Commercially available solar power is 12% efficient, maybe some new products reaching 22% efficient. A solar powered home will cost $20,000 to outfit and forget central A/C; it can't handle it; maybe 1 room unit and a refrigerator. Solar and wind in no way can even approach replacing oil, gasoline, and coal.
  • Cap and Trade
    In my market (Portland), Sean Hannity comes right after Clark Howard during the weekdays so I can see why for some of you as Buzz G says Clark Howard is a "second rate source of information". Most of the comments here about Cap and Trade sound almost verbatim by Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, et al. Is there anyone else stoking this whole Cap and Trade will be a disaster? Clark's whole life resolves around economics issues and consumer advocacy. Why would you place Sean Hannity "first" as a source of economics and consumer information? Sean is just a political pundit....
  • Cap and Trade
    Clark will abandon his responsibility to the consumer when it comes to "green" issues. He often puts his "green" agenda above the well being of consumers. The "pennypincher" only pinches his own pennies. When it comes to the government handing out the dollars they have forcibly taken from all us via the tax system, he is all for that if it can be claimed to have a "green" purpose. Clark Howard quickly morphs into an eco-nut when someone comes up with the latest scheme to advance wind, solar, hydrogen, algae, or anything else that has "clean" credentials. Shame on him. He will continue to be a second-rate source of information unless he can get this nonsense out of his system. Finally, where his eco-nuttiness really becomes apparent is his inability or unwillingness to speak out coherently against this cap and trade nonsense. It his hard to find legislation which is more anti-consumer and yet you hardly hear a peep out of him. Cap and Trade will damage our bank accounts more than anything. I can stay away from bad credit cards, bad mortgages, and ponzi schemes. I cannot duck the damage that cap and trade will do to me. It will show up as extra cost in every item produced in the USA. If you think American products are having a hard time competing on the world stage, you ain't seen nothing yet. Any yet Clark Howard says little.
  • night time
    so, let's see. since the sun don't shine at night, i guess the poor saps who have to pay for this fiasco will wither have to huddle around their candles or pay at least twice as much for their electricity. Once for the current generation system and at least as much again for the solar system.
    Sounds like a winning deal to me, well maybe not, but at least a winning deal for obama's pals or al-the polar bear protector-gore.
  • RE: cap and trade
    Pat, I have some simple math for you.

    A 13W CFL = 60W incandescent
    In a ratio, thats 0.217 : 1

    Then multiply by 1.8 to get your supposed 80% energy cost increase:


    New ratio 0.391 : 1.8

    So, even with an 80% energy cost increase, you'll spend less on energy by switching to CFLs.

    Of course, theres also your TVs, refrigerators, air conditioners, that could be replaced with more energy efficient models to offset the supposed increased cost of energy.
  • cap and trade
    Does everyone realize that the so called Cap and Trade bill will do the opposite of what it intends? We will be more dependent on foreign oil since there will be no change that this administration will allow us to drill for oil. Our electricity will go up 80%, what good are CFL's if the rates go up that much???
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