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May 28, 2009 -- Save for retirement before funding a child's education

A new survey from Country Financial reveals that more men than women think saving for a child's education is of greater importance than funding their own retirement.

The dads are dead wrong in this case, according to Clark. Mothers only fare slightly better, with roughly equal amounts falling on either side of the question.

As parents, we all know it would be great to do everything possible for our kids. But the most important thing you can do is provide good guidance and discipline, plus ensure the feeding and care of your children in a safe, healthy environment.

The idea of saving for a child's education is a very modern notion. It didn't exist for most of human history. Yet many of us are already fixated on this idea as the "be all, end all" of good parenting.

The whole debate makes Clark recall an episode from his life. Following his dad's death, Clark's mom began spending like mad. That prompted the consumer champ and his siblings to have a private argument about whether or not to have a serious talk with their mother about her spending habits.

One side said, "She's an adult, leave her be." But Clark disagreed. He reasoned that if they let her spending go unchecked, their mother might soon be asking them for money once she burned through her own. No one liked that scenario!

It goes back to something that Clark's late dad would often say: One parent can take care of 10 kids, but 10 kids can't care for one parent.

Just remember that there are no scholarships for retirement.

But for college, there are grants, work-study, regular jobs, scholarships, loans, reducing your educational costs by going into public service or the military, going the community college route, etc.

So dads, your hearts are in the right place, but your heads are not. You've got to do the practical thing and save for your future. We won't all be healthy enough to work for the rest of our lives. So listen to your wife on this one -- she knows better!

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What others are saying

  • College vs. retirement funds
    We have a daughter headed to college this fall. She is going to a state school because we refused to pay out of state tuition/fees (one suggested monthly payments for us parents that was more than my mortgage & car payment combined plus she would have heavy student loans!), even though she desperately wanted to back to a former state we lived in. We told her after she graduates from college she can move back there if she can get a job there!

    She knows that she must keep her Hope scholarship, do work study for the 15 hours a week maximum allowed at her state school and contribute 70% of her summer job post-tax earnings towards her education. As long as her dad doesn't get laid off later this year from his part-time job we will be able to make up the difference and help her with a little spending money, but if he gets laid off and doesn't get another job then we will not be contributing less to our retirement funds than we currently put in it monthly & she will have to do student loans for that amount. We are fortunate that the money her dad makes from his part-time job that we suspect he may lose is our extra "mad money" that we use for bonus things around the house, special trips, etc.

    If she ends up at any point losing her Hope scholarship then she knows it will be up to her to figure out how to pay for her education. She is wanting to go into theatre which of course is a tight job market, especially for recent college graduates, so she understands that it is best if she graduates with 0 student debt, or very minimal debt at most. Showing her that Hope will be contributing right at $2500 a semester towards her education was definitely an eye opener - especially when I had her calculate how many minimum wage part-time hours she would have to work to make that kind of money!!!

    When my husband & I both went to college neither of our parents contributed a dime to our education as neither of them had any extra money to spare due to extremely tight budgets. We don't mind helping pay for some of her education but are not going into debt for it and are not going to contribute a dime more than we can comfortably contribute. Mostly we are leaving it up to her to keep her grades up and work for her education, like we did, so she appreciates it more.
  • Joint/Co Enrollment & AP classes
    In response to Gary (College is a rip-off), there are avenues to skip freshman and maybe sophomore years in college. My son took 8 AP classes and took joint enrollment classes during his senior year in high school. He started UGA with 65 units and will be graduating with in 2 1/2 years with a double major in Business and Journalism. With the Hope Scholarship in GA and his part time job, I didn't have to pay 1 cent for his college education.
  • Save by sending them to a community college
    I think there is a balance that needs to be met. Parents have some responsibility to provide financial help to children. However, there is a limit. Children who have no desire to go to college might as well get some help in strating a small buisness or something instead of spending on expensive college.

    On way to save on college for the first 2 years is to select a community college. The costs are manageable, and most ourtses taken can be transfered to a 4-year college/University.

    Some types of college education unfortunately, pays little to nothing ROE (Return on Education). They may have intrinsic or cultural value, but nothing that will have immediate paybacks.
  • Retirement over college
    Please remember that when your kids get to college, you will normally be at your peak earning years. If you don't have a lot of debt with student loans, grants, part or full-time jobs, and scholarships, it can be done.
    If you count on social security you are nuts, the best favor you could do your kids is that they don't have to subsidize your retirement.
  • To retire or not to retire?
    Outside of a specialized degree (Medical, Engineering ect.) what does going to college do for you? I think we should make sure we can take care of ourselves rather than worring about how our adult children will live.

    I've told my kids you don't have to go to college after high school but you do have to do something and learn to take care of yourselves.

    I really don't care what my children do as long as they are not doing it in my house. If you want to be an adult you should take care of yourself.
  • Save for retirement before funding a child's education
    Savings for retirement and for children education are both modern notions, not even 100 years ago nobody worried about neither.
  • Saving for retirement
    My husband co -signed on a Law School student loan for his Daughter. He was divorced after that time. After he paid off the estate taxes after his Mom died, we had nothing but social security. The life savings he had left went to the government taxes. His daughter did not appreciate the help he gave her, later on. And she will not help my husband pay for medical care he needs. So much for being a good parent. Maybe cutting back on all the help for the children needs to be done so they can appreciate a lifetime worth of savings. Sometimes working and earning that degree and paying for it is a good thing rather than letting "dear old Dad" pay for it. My husband regrets his mistake, now.
  • College is a rip-off
    Our daughter just finished her first year at a state university. It cost us around $30K when all was said and done. My take on the whole thing is that, like the last two years of high school, colleges are places where kids mark time. The courses aren't challenging, the kids don't really mature much, and parents are constantly bombarded with propaganda from the schools telling us how wonderful they are.

    Yes I know, this sounds cynical, but that is my honest take on her freshman year. There is some good news - if she had gone to the private college (her first choice), it would have cost us about $60K for the same level of disappointment!

    We set up a college fund 15 years ago, and she now has about $40K left in it. Our plan is to not put another dime of our money into the college rat hole. We told our daughter that she has to make whatever is left in her account last through the rest of her college years and grad school should she decide to continue after graduation. Time for her to grow up and time for Mom and Dad to retire.
  • escalating college costs
    Easy availability of loans, grants, tax deductions and credits, etc. are the main culprit in the escalated cost of a college education.
    I read an article a few months ago and a college administrator was commenting on a proposal to raise tuition. The comment was essentially that they weren't "raising tuition", as the government had just increased the amount or some tax deductions or credits and the student would not "be paying any more".
    The only way to reign in college costs is unfortunately to make loans, tax deductions or credits and all the other gimicks less available or in smaller amounts.
    Declining enrollments would very soon translate into lower college costs.
    The other thing i think would help the situation would be to incentivize students to acually finish a 4 year college degree in 4 or less years by rebating a percentage of tuition paid on a sliding scale when doing so and surcharging tuition for students who take longer than 4 years. Maybe the surcharges could be eliminated for working students that documented they actually worked during the school year and earned over a certain amount.
    I earned a 4 year business degree from UW-Madision in less than 3 years with a 3.4 gpa and I was married with 3 kids and worked 15 or so hours a week minimum year around. So don't say it can't be done. And I am no rocket scientist either. I took a minimum of 18 credits a semester, attended the inter-session class and summer school.
    We have far to many "professional students" wandering aimlessly thru higher education for years and years on loans, grants, or daddy's money and it is high time they be reigned in. The purpose of college (at least publically funded ones) should be to enroll, get your degree and get out and get a job. Instead for many it is nothing more than an easy way to coast thru life on the taxpayer's dime with the intention of only cultivating one's social life.
  • Sarcasm
    Brian,

    Can you not see the sarcasm in Socialist Sam's comments???
  • saving: yes, more government: no
    Clark is absolutely right; we are each responsible for our own retirement. The ability to actually retire is not a right; it is not guaranteed anywhere in the Constitution. Rather, retirement is a privilege to be enjoyed after one has sacrificed and saved.

    Regarding a comment by a previous poster that the government needs to step in: Are you out of your mind? We will not be “more free” if the government forces us to allow it to manage our retirement savings. Do people make bad decisions? Yes; they do. But those of us who choose to make good decisions should not be forced (at gunpoint by the government) to fund the retirement of those who don’t. This notion attacks our fundamental freedoms and takes us further away from the nation of liberty our Founding Fathers envisioned. Such a concept is absolutely criminal and unconscionable under the Constitution.
  • Retiring
    Clark,
    As you know, this is what happens when you let people/citizens handle their own retirements and savings rather than the government. Obviously, the government needs to step in here and take charge of how people are saving and what they are saving for (perhaps create a U.S. Homeland Savings Department). This will make for a more free society and happier people with no worries when they retire. The question is, can we do it in 3.5 years?
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