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May 11, 2009 -- Carnival, passengers tussle over Mexican ports, swine flu fears

Swine flu fear got the best of Carnival Cruise Lines when they decided to skip ports of call in Mexico and then refused to compensate disappointed customers, according to The Los Angeles Times.

Normally, cruise companies reserve the right to change the itinerary at will. They can usually skip stops or change ports without much fanfare. But Carnival was in a unique position because of their much-publicized vacation guarantee that basically offers a money-back guarantee if you're displeased with your vacation for any reason.

The question is, should Carnival be allowed to make an over-the-top guarantee and then decide it doesn't apply because of the enormous fear surrounding swine flu?

Clark thinks Carnival is just plain wrong here. If you are going to hold yourself out as offering better consumer protection than the rest of the industry, you have to make good on it.

Carnival may have gotten some short-term benefit because they didn't have to pay out, but think about the long-term disaster in breaking trust with their customers.

You know this will end up in court, the lawyers will get rich, Carnival will look even worse and the customers will get some level of compensation.

So why not do it right from the start and avoid all that hassle?

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What others are saying

  • Carnival Swine Flu - Class Action
    Clark: We filed a lawsuit approximately 4 months ago in federal court seeking class certification for the passengers of the 14 Carnival ships diverted from Mexican ports due to swine flu fears. Obviously there are many issues to contend with, but one involves when Carnival knew it would not be going to Mexico, and whether this knowledge preceded departure (4/26/09) of the ships. Any information (like that posted by TL @ 05/12/09 11:32:04 AM) would be helpful. Thanks, Mike Campbell
  • Carnival Swine Flu
    TL @ 05/12/09 11:32:04 AM: Who did you talk to at Carnival? Please send me your e-mail address. Thanks
  • RCCL Mexican Riviera future cruise credit RETRACTION
    Can you advise what recourse we have now that we took our cruise to the re-routed itinerary to Oregon and British Columbia, RCCL sent us our future cruise credit certificates which are HALF of what we were promised prior to taking the cruise. The RETRACTION was made after we returned from the cruise.
    HELP !!!!
  • carnival not giving customers money back
    It is ashame that Carnival will not now not change back to Mexico, for the sailings since the flu crises is over.
    We were booked to sail May 31,2009. Now we are booked to sail June 7. We have tried all avenues in trying to get our money back, after planning the cruise for about 1 year. We have 8 couples booked. Cruise One which was I travel agency, stated she tried to warn us about Carnival. Her only warning was after the fact. I just had back surgery the 25th of March and I contacted AIG, where we took out the insurance and we would be able to get out of the cruise, yet our friends could not, so we decide to go with them. We noted the orginal date of May 31th is not even sailing now. I hope we get on the Splendor and there are very little people. Who wants to go to
    Oregon or Canada when we should be going to where we were planned to go.
    We noticed when they sent our tickets they took of the gratudites and up our on ship credit. I will participate in a lawsuit if one is filled. I just hope they contact us.
  • Princess Cruise and Swine Flu
    We sailed on the Coral Princess out of Los Angeles on 4/26 on a 10 port 19 day cruise.
    We were notified on 4/27 that all five of our Mexican ports had been cancelled. They substitued 2 of them with ridiculous stops( an additional stop in Nicaruagua and San Diego!)
    The other three Mexican ports had no substitution at all.
    We were offered no compensation. I would like to hear if anyone else sailed on that cruise and what they are doing to get some form of compensation.
  • Carnival Cruise Lines
    Lets face it, Clark won't say it but these cruise lines do not care. My family has travelled to the all inclusive resorts and have taken two cruises. The difference is that all inclusive resorts want your business. The cruise lines seem to nickle and dime the customer as much as they can and do not really care what you think. Never, Never, Never take a cruise they cruise lines do not care.
  • Carnival
    I just think Carnival is the worst cruise line I have ever been on. I sailed with them last summer. The towels were gray and frayed; the sheets were worn thin, there were stains on the carpeting throughout the ship; the food was "cafeteria" quality. I was extremely disappointed and happy to get off of a diry ship where the service was lousy and customer service was zero. I'll stick with Royal Carribean!
  • Mexican Riviera to San Fransisco
    I was on board and was very upset to hear that Princess Cruise Lines gave 50% off for their guests. Especially since Carnival owns Princess.

    Because of that, I am writting a letter to the CEO of Carnival Cruise line and every member of the Board of Directors, one letter every week to each member of the board. The address for the CEO of Carnival is below. The rest of the board members are listed on this website and all letters can be sent to the same address as Carnivals CEO
    http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=140690&p=irol-govmanage
    Carnival Cruise Lines
    Gerald R. Cahill
    President and Chief Executive Officer
    3655 N.W. 87th Ave.
    Miami, FL 33178-2428

    If you know of anyone else on the cruise, give them the address and names.
  • Um, yes they knew 24 hrs beforehand
    Whilst on the phone lodging formal complaint re: Corporation's customer service handling, the Carnival Representative informed us that Carnival in fact did know before the 4/26 Splendor sailing left LONG BEACH that we would not make the Mexico ports (and yes, we have her name). Further, if there was such an "epidemic" in Cabo where we were not allowed to utilize the guarantee and leave, how come the passengers from the Mariner of the Seas (who by the way, received up to $350 OBC during their cruise) were OFF of their ship out frolicking in the sun, riding jet skis 'round the Carnival Splendor?? At the time, our large party on board the Splendor accepted and understood the itinerary change and remained on the ship for the cruise duration then made the best of the cold, rainy, windy, dreary cruise in our shorts. The crew worked so very hard to accomodate - HUGE KUDOS to them! However, upon arriving home, we became disappointed to hear that other cruise lines were offering atleast some sort of compensation to passengers as a goodwill gesture, and much worse was that the Carnival Corporation was offering future Splendor cruisers huge compensation. I mean c'mon folks, you'd be a bit upset as well if you had saved $$ for over a year to book higher priced balcony cabins and future cruisers were being offered FREE upgrades from interior, along with large amounts of OBC, AND they got some great ports like Seattle and Canada! Future cruisers that did not want to cruise in the cold, were given the option to cancel for refund and 100% future cruise credit! What the heck, Carnival? This clearly proved to us that Carivore could have cared less about our sailing - they had all of our money and then some that we had to spend captive on board! Very poor customer service. Our large party of 11 will now be booking with Royal Caribbean on Freedom of the Seas (balconies and Junior Suites) for the Western Caribbean cruise that was tentatively planned on the Carnival Dream... no thank you, Carnival.
  • Carnival is wrong - Losing thousands of customers
    I was on the cruise. Had Carnival been upfront and honest and offered something before we left a lot would have not gone. Princes lines (same Holding company) stopped problems immediately with 50% offer. Carnival Wheels need to learn customer service like the "hired" help on the ships which provide superior - awesome customer service. The way Carnival is doing this incident (10 ships involved in one way or other) "ain't no way to run an airline" as old saying goes. DO SOMETHING TO KEEP CUSTOMERS like me a Platinum Carnival cruiser
  • Carnival Cruise Lines
    We have cruised many times with Carnival and have had great customer service. I feel that their decision to avoid Mexican ports was in the best interest of the passengers.
  • Tired of crooks
    There really is nothing better than a worthless guarentee to make travel fun. Promise more, deliver less and make excuses everytime you are asked to honor your word.

    All the more reason to vacation at home. Why waste money on crooked cruise lines? Do a little research on the internet and take a drive someplace cool, it will probably be cheaper in the long run.
  • Cruising
    Brian, I somewhat agree. I empty my scotch in another container disguising it. And it has always been in my suitcase when it arrives in my room. I never lack for a scotch and water when I want one. Also, I book shore excurtions online before the cruise. And I cannot believe the hoards of people who get all worked up about buying high dollar pictures of themselves. Everytime you move somebodys taking your picture to sell to you later. I never buy. To be honest, when I purchase my cruise, that's it, I'm done spending money on the ship. As far as the flu thing, way overblown. And sure, the cruiseline is going to try to wiggle out of there responsablity, hidding behind there fine print, instead of just doing the right thing. My 2 cents.
  • re: read the fine print
    Hey anonymous, do you work for Carnival or another no service cruise line?
  • you have to be kidding me.
    between cruise lines and cell phone companies it is hard to decide who have the best business plan to screw their customers.

    You mean that the option to be dumped at the first port of call in mexico is a seriously considered option for passengers? You mean the cruise line didn't know prior to leaving the u.s. that they didn't already know what they were going to do?

    of course they knew. they just didn't want to say anything and have to really honor their guarantee, because who would want to sit on a cruise ship, fight crowds to eat mediocre food, all for the privelege of paying sky high prices for a beer and constantly pressured every 15 minutes to buy a drink or spend some money on overpriced excursions. no wonder people are jumping overboard on the high seas!! they won't even let you sneek a can of pop on board because they want to sell you their overpriced stuff.

    that is why i quit going on cruises 5 years ago. the cruise lines are now just an extension of the airlines (grayhound buses in the sky) and are a slow boat from hell to nowhere. I may still fly, but at least the misery is over usually in a few hours.
  • Read the Fine Print
    Carnival had no choice but to alter itineraries after the State Dept. issued the travel advisory.

    Read the fine print of how the Vacation Guarantee works. You must notify the customer service desk within 24 hours of departure and then you will be put off at the first international port of call.

    Everyone on the ship was on the same boat so to speak. Why does everyone think they are entitled to something? They still got to enjoy the cruise and all the amenities and they don't have the swine flu or have to worry about it.

    Please.................!
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