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Apr 20, 2009 -- Debit card PIN theft is hot in the criminal world

The security used by the nation's banks is so pitifully antiquated that even the criminals are complaining that crime does not pay any longer!

In a true case of supply and demand, there are so many stolen credit card numbers floating around that each one is now worth less than 60 cents!

The problem is that we still use 45-year old magnetic strip technology on the back of our credit cards. Meanwhile, much of the rest of the world is using smart chip technology. Smart chips require you to enter an additional secret code -- so you're protected even if someone steals your credit card number.

According to PC Magazine, the big thing now is for criminals to steal PINs from debit cards. That allows them to empty your checking account, and then you get stuck with overdraft fees.

Where are the breaches happening? About a third of the time, it takes place at a retailer. Another third of time, it takes place from within the banking sector. And the rest of the time, it occurs at a variety of places like hotels and restaurants.

The main culprits are crooked employees doing inside jobs.

We get calls on the show where this happens and the banks typically treat you like you're guilty until proven innocent. The banks assume it's your fault and you're behind the ruse.

So how can you protect yourself? One solution is to turn off the 'debit' function on your debit card. See how one listener got his credit union to do just that.

If that doesn't appeal to you, it's then your responsibility to check your account each and every day of the year to nip any theft in the bud.

Remember, there's precious little protection under the law for you otherwise. There's no requirement for the bank to return your money in a timely fashion, nor for them to remove any overdraft fees you may incur.

Unfortunately, Clark won't be able to answer any questions submitted via commenting. If you have a question, please try posting it to our message boards.

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What others are saying

  • Re: Regulation E protection
    Hear hear. If you're at all concerned with using a debit card, or someone else using YOUR debit card, read up on Reg E. MasterCard jumped on the "zero liability" bandwagon not long after Visa; they had to maintain their competitive edge.
  • Beware ATMs!
    Sorry guys but ATM only cards dont cut it either it seems. I just had $3,500 stolen from my bank account and my bank is saying they are not responsible legally!!! They said I must have been skimmed (or something) and that they cannot help me even though I detected the fruad within 24 hours......

    So, to those ATM only friends, watch out, they can skim your card, make fake cards, and then drain your bank easily and we have zero protection apparently. This was NEVER told to me when they were getting me to open that debitcard account at the CHASE backed Sunrise Bank of Atlanta. For me, back to cash and travelers checks I guess.
  • fake debit cards
    I was furious to find that my credit union dropped ATM's, so we had to get the fake debit cards. I was assured over and over that the credit union had great protection for theft, instant reinstatement of funds, etc. I couldn't get the cu clerk to understand that just the hassle of contacting all people or companies involved was not worth using this card. She said she used only that card and not her credit card. She doesn't understand that for older people (there are a load of over 70's handling their own money) it is hard to keep all these cards straight. Also, these potential problems make me hesitant to pay bills on-line. Imagine the hassle there!! I'm just so tired of people who do the right thing getting screwed,i.e. bailout, new credit card charges on foreign transactions, and (I heard) possible interest charges from moment of purchase. What gives? Oh, I insisted that my and my 91 year-old father had only ATM access on new cards.
  • phony credit cards
    the main difference and drawback to using your atm card as a debit card is if the card or info on the card is stolen and used as a debit card, your checking account will be drained pronto. Now maybe your bank will eventually cover the fraudulent charges, but they will use their sweet time doing it and undoubtedly drag you through the mud in the process.

    If they steal your credit card, it is not your money they are stealing, but only the credit card company's money. It can be alot harder to get back YOUR money (with debit card theft) than to dispute credit card theft (the credit card company's money). After all why be at the mercy of these sneaky-ass banks that will use every excuse in the book to ream you. Why?

    I see no valid reason to carry a atm/debit card. Use a credit card (full protection/other peoples money) for store purchases and use an atm only card for cash withdrawls from ATM's. If you pay your credit card balance in full each month the credit card companies will actually pay you (at least some will).
  • What EXACTLY Are The Dangers?
    How exactly is my MasterCard debit card a dangerous thing to 1) carry with me or 2) use at retailers or online?
  • Regulation E protection
    If you use the card as a credit you are protected by government regulations, specifically Regulation E, that regs electronic transactions. Your liability is limited to $50. Visa offers $0 liability on fraudulent transactions but they must be reported within 60 days.
  • Re: Debit Visa Protection
    It always pays to read the fine print to see if you're covered for sure. I did have someone make a $300 fraudulent charge on my BoA check card this weekend, but fortunately they offer 100% protection so it *should* be ok for me. (I say this, but the refund isn't in my account yet because the bad charge still shows as "pending" on my account). They actually have quite a few safety precautions available--I found this bogus charge as soon as it was made because I set the alerts BoA offers to email me as soon as anyone tried to charge more than $x amount to my check card, and it worked like a charm. This is one case where I'm going to give a big bank a thumbs up (pending me getting this all cleared up for good).
  • Debit Visa Protection
    OK. Somewhere else I heard that as long as you are using your debit card as a credit and not entering your pin you have the same protection from the credit card provider as you would if it were a credit card and not a check card. Soooo, are we protected or aren't we?
  • Debit Card vs ATM card
    BoA tried to "upgrade" me to a debit card because it is "better" (for whom?). I said no way. I had and will only accept an ATM only card. They are easy to spot because there is no fake MC or Visa logo on the card. When they push, push back harder. It is your money and your business. Just make sure that you are not dependent upon your bank or they will have the leverage and the will to stick it to you. Like insurance companies that are in business to collect premiums not pay claims, the banks use all sorts of methods to collect fees and lock up your money. Be ready to beat feet if they do not show you that they want your business.
  • Clarks RIGHT!!!
    Take a page out of Clark's book, didn't know it back when I got my first credit card, but Clark and myself think alike about credit cards(pay em off every month) and the fake visa cards are just something to rip you off with, beware of what you tote around with you all the time.
  • In response to the post by "mE aGAIN"
    Banks have been very aggressive about slashing "excessive" credit lines in response to the recession. They want to prevent people from living off their cards (and defaulting) should they lose employment.

    Credit line reductions CAN affect your credit score. However, since utilization is what has the big impact on your score, your zero balance (0% utilization) means the adjustment should have no net effect on your score.

    Past credit lines will appear on your credit report for 7 years. During that time, you cannot remove records (even if they aren't pretty) unless they are fraudulent.

    I suggest that you eat at home a few extra nights this month and make some extra progress on knocking out those two low car payments. (Use the money you would have spent going out to eat) Then you can use the amount you were paying on the two notes to pay off your other three (?!?!) car notes faster.

    ...and if you don't have three months of emergency cash (for unemployment/medical/deductables) in savings/mma, I suggest you get cracking!
  • BOA Credit
    So I had $64K as for my credit limit until March, on my April statement it showed only $14K. I called and they said that $14K is still high limit, I do not have any balance on my card, in fact i have $2 credit as I send them $1 every month, I have not used my card in over 8-9 months. I asked her if it will effect my FICO and she said it will not as my credit was decreased but since I do not have any balance my credit should be good.

    I am not sure if I should trust her or not, I disputed and added a line with my explanation on my credit files just to be on the safe side.

    On the same note, if I dispute and have remove all my older past paid/closed accounts from my credit files, will it reflect negative on my credit or it won't do anything? It is too late since I already have them remove several of my old past paid/closed accounts and my credit file started to look good, I have few open accounts but they are in very good shape and I pay my bills on time, they only things I have is my my Mortgage and my 5 auto loans, 2 of them are under $900 (Yeahhhhh).

    Thanks
  • PINs
    Ah, right, because that's SO much easier than just taking the card and frauding out around town as a credit card...overpostering panic speak, man. I bet Clark has a wallet full of 'em.
  • PIN
    ThatGuy,

    The thief needs the pin so they can make a new card and get cash out of an ATM.
  • PINS
    Clark, they don't need your pin to use a stolen number online. And having the pin is useless without having the card. What are you on this stink about?
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