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Apr 17, 2009 -- United Airlines flight attendants playing the role of fat police

Last year, Clark told a story about flying on a little commuter plane that had been re-purposed to carry 50 passengers -- instead of the 6 people it was originally intended to seat! The crux of Clark's story hung on the fact that he was seated next to an obese passenger, which made it a very uncomfortable flight.

Boy, the reaction we got from that story.

Now, United Airlines is empowering its flight attendants to eyeball customers and determine who needs one seat and who needs two. Those who are particularly overweight won't be allowed to fly unless they purchase a second seat.

In essence, the United flight attendants are playing the fat police!

So whose rights should come first? The overweight flier, or the normal-sized passenger who needs to sit next to that individual? That's the topic of this week's poll. Be sure to vote and make your voice heard!

In other airline news, a couple of Dallas-based carriers are in the red. Clark's "girlfriend," Southwest Airlines, is losing money and even trying to get employees to take buyouts and leave.

Meanwhile, American Airlines has been having a lot of union issues. Their union workers took huge pay cuts to prevent the company from going into bankruptcy. But then when times got better, American paid huge bonuses to its executives instead of compensating the union workers. That's not a good way to build loyalty among the rank and file.

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  • Too Big
    It has nothing to do with eight - being fat, etc. If you're a 120 pound, 5"9" man who's body somehow is too wide to fit in a normal seat then you should pay as well. I've yet to see such a man, but if such a man exists, he should pay for two seats. I'm not prejudiced or a "fat man hatter". It has nothing to do with weight for me. So if you're fat and fit inside your seat - GREAT!! If your underweight but your shoulders are so wide that they're basically hitting my face the entire flight, BUY ANOTHER SEAT!
  • airfares
    Yes! Two seats, two fares.
  • airfares
    yes they should pay; have you ever sat next to a beached land whale!
  • Plane tickets
    Yes, they should make them pay.

    As far as screaming kids, I always take ear plugs with me on planes just in case this happens. I fly internationally and ear plugs come in handy.
  • plane tickets
    If someone cant fit in one seat,then they should buy 3, because they will be using part of the seats on both sides unless he or she sits on the arm rest.Also a plane can only fly safely with so much weight on board.Part of the cost of flying is in $/pound.
  • The Canadian airlines have the right idea. If a person is so fat as to need two seats, they should have to pay for two fares----end of story!
  • FAT POLICE
    I am currently am overweight. If I fail to do something about my weight and become so obese that I am unable to comfortably sit and occupy one seat space and need to over-flow into my neighbor’s space – yes I should pay for two seats.

    I understand totally about having to put up with someone else’s undisciplined children. These people should receive some sort of fine, or be place on a list. If they file with their children they need to purchase the seats around them front back and side. They may then consider leaven them with someone else, or better yet be real parents.

    As for smelly people – never confronted that one, just really bad cheap perfume.
  • Fat Police
    I absolutely agree. I had to fly from San Francisco to Atlanta on a full flight in the middle seat next to a man so big the arm rest couldn't go down between us. He had to ask for a seat belt extension and was half way into my seat the whole way. It was the most miserable flight of my life and I know he was mighty uncomfortable also. The flight attendants just looked the other way. Isn't there a safety law or something about the armrest having to be down on takeoff? That would insure that you got aleast that much room.
  • Fat Police
    I don't fit into this category; however, I would much rather sit next to a larger person than the screaming, back of the seat kicking kids whose parents do NOTHING - I say charge people with children extra (I have 3 but always made sure mine didn't encroach on other people). What most people aren't understanding here is that the airlines are making their seats smaller and smaller and pretty soon someone who weighs 105 pounds is going to be considered "too fat" for their seat. If people were truly concerned about the "weight" going onto the planes, they'd stop lugging on all of their endless carry-ons, pack their things in their regular suitcase and just get on and off the plane. THAT would lighten the load immensely!!
  • FAT and AIRLINE SEATING
    Then they should turn away anyone with a turban (they could be terrorists), then crying or loud children, then smelly people then jews, then Americans because the world knows they are all violent...etc.etc... Weight is the last socially acceptable prejudice. All of the airlines should be made to have seating that fits a child to a 350 pound buffed man.It isn't all just fat. When someone is over 350 it is usually due to a medical condition and should be treated with the same kindness as any other medical condition. Anyone who truly believes fat people should be charged more instead of the airlines providing everyone enough personal space should look in the mirror and think about their habits that would drive a fellow traveler crazy. Perfume/cologne could cause someone to DIE from an allergie. There are tappers,snorers,talkers,touchy people and others who irritate but the airlines are making overweight people the targets as they downsize seating space and enjoy the higher profits. I just retired and have never been able to go on a jet for fear of perfumes.
  • fat police
    If UAL (NOT my favorite at all) looses revenue because an obese person takes 1.5 or 2.0 seats, then by all means that person should be charged for it.
  • Air Space Infringement
    Having a seat in coach next to a big/tall person can be uncomfortable. Sitting on a plane in close proximity to people who smell (body odor, bad breath, third-hand smoke, too-much perfume) or engage in uncouth/noisy behaviors (cleaning toe jam, snuffing nose) can be equally difficult. Shouldn’t airlines also charge these people for two seats so that they can be kept out of earshot or direct sight of other passengers?
  • Economics and Weight
    It should be very simple to institute a weighing program when you board. Just like vehicles on the highway. If you weigh more you pay more. Fat people will pay more because it costs more to fly them. Just like postage. If everyone knows what the cost will be before they board, they may even be motivated to lose weight and improve their health and save money at the same time. An "INCENTIVE" to be healthy...imagine that in this culture?!
  • Fat Police
    Well I think that it is totally stupid and ridiculous! It all falls back on the greedy airlines that want just to make alot more money, if they were concerned about the passangers comfort or any thing else, they would not try to put so many people so close together. If they would go back to making the customers happy and not trying to make more money for the stock holders, they would all be alot better off. I beleive that if greed was out of the picture completely,
    "GOD", would bless them all with more than they could imagine. Ha, Ha, we know that's not going to happen!!!!! All of you that are saying rude thing about people that are over weight needs to understand, what goes around comes around.
  • Fat Police
    Howard, I agree that overweight people need to pay for two seats. It is a matter of safety. Aircraft takeoff weight is critical. All aircraft have a maximum takeoff weight. If it is exceeded the plane may not fly or crash. Can we appease these people and let them fly so as to not be biases and risk the plane killing everyone. Besides the airline will get fined by the FAA for exceeding limits. The 300 lb person doesn't think THEY are overweight. They think the guy/gal who weighs 301 is overweight. I'm not sure where you draw the line. I sat in between two obese people (350+) on a Southwest flight. I could not move. They tried to talk me into moving. There were no other seats. They asked for (I was a pilot and didn't know these existed), seat belt extenders which are basically the seat belts the flight attendants show in there demo. I'm not going to be politically correct and risk my life. I'll get off.
  • Fat People on planes
    I have read all your comments. Of course they are all foolishness. When a person fits into the seat, they have paid for, to have a larger persons body be allowed to touch yours physically is out rageous. The airlines has the responsibility to be sure this is not allowed. I'm sure fat people realize they buy 2 tickets or the Steward should eject them, or have them pay for 2 seats if available. This should be the policy of the airline. Again a person knows if they are too fat, so if they try to pull a fast one, they should pay. Not the people that sits next to them. Again invasion of your personal space is not permitted. DON'T TOUCH ME! Wake up airlines and do the proper thing. I wonder what law addresses a person touching you when you don't want them to?
  • Make Them Sit Together
    Fat people have no idea how much they intrude into the space of smaller people. I refuse to sit next to them because they take over half my seat and force me to huddle up against the opposite armrest. Not comfortable when you actually have bony spots! Make the heavies sit together - their weight problem shouldn't be my problem too!
  • Overweight Airline Customer
    The airlines should shift the responsibility to policing this ridiculous policy to the ticket agents or gate agents, not the flight attendants,however the carriers should be limited to number of seats they are attempting to stuff customers in. The solution to the problem: less seats, more room=satisfied customers.
  • So 700 people last year complained about having to sit next to a fat person. How many complained about the fact that the airline is shoving more seats into the same amount of space? More than 700, I'm guessing. I was just reading an article the other day about new planes one airline is getting but they're rearranging to get at least 2 more rows of seats in before they enter service.

    Each airline is different--are overweight supposed to memorize that airline A has 17" wide seats, airline B has 19" wide seats, airline C has 21" wide seats and airline D has 18" wide seats? (and tall people, memorize the pitch between the rows so you have that extra leg room!) What if the airline with the most space (relatively speaking) doesn't fly the route you need? What if the first ticket was in your budget but a 2nd ticket is not?

    Yes, it's no fun to stuff yourself into a seat you don't fit into, and you know you're taking a little extra of the arm rest space. I've been stuck between big guys who were very fit but with really wide shoulders, making my flight uncomfortable. Do we make them buy 2 seats?

    How about just giving us all a little room to breathe, airlines? I love when I get bumped up to business/first, it's so much more comfortable when you don't spend the whole flight trying not to move so as not to encroach upon your fellow passengers' space!
  • Sitting next to overweight person
    I am not sure what airlines should do, but they should do something. I would not want to end up sitting next to a 250+ lb. person for hours.
  • Ignorant People
    Some of you make me sick! What about those that fly with children and refuse to get a seat for the child. I have to fly with that kid kicking me and slobbering all over cause you are too cheap to make sure your child has a seat to safely sit in.
  • by the pound
    Maybe they should charge for tickets by the pound?
  • Obese passengers
    I'm 5'2", 105 lbs. This was really fortunate for the 250 lb. passenger adjacent to me, because they were able to overflow into my seat, all the way from Chicago to Madrid, Spain!!! I felt that I should have been refunded for half my ticket.
  • United Airlines Seating Issue
    I think UA should have a few rows of larger seats that customers may reserve so everyone has a comfortable flight. We, as youngsters may currently be "smaller" than most...but, at some point in life we may be in the "larger" group of society. Why not cater to all individuals...without all the sarcastic gestures of "seat police" and fellow passengers glaring and pointing fingers at the "big guy that just boarded". They don't have to re-vamp every seat....just a comfort section. If they're not filled just before the flight, then others may pay a small fee to re-locate into one of them. I'd GLADLY put myself on a "waiting list" to sit in a bigger seat for a flight!!!! (I'm a small girl...who doesn't like being elbowed by the other small person beside me). There's no need to put passengers in a situation where they feel embarrassed to be who they are. I think UA should think outside their box....and adopt a plan where everybody wins. We all know we can "upgrade" our reservation to a 1st Class seat, and get a bigger chair to sit in, so I know bigger seats are available....just put a few of them in the Coach section.
  • Airline Fat Police
    Airline customer space has gotten smaller and smaller while the public has gotten bigger. Airlines should give more space and fat folks should pay extra.
  • Blubber Butts
    I do some of my best praying when I fly. When I board, find my seat and sit and see a fat person approaching, I pray she/he will not attempt to fit into the seat next to me. I'd rather have a skinny smoker than a lard butt who spill over into my seat. Face it, space is limited on an airline and it is what you pay for. Noone has any right to use up the next person's space. I wouldn't like it if I were in a restaurant and the lady at the next table helped herself to some of my food. Well, space on an airplane is just as valuable.
  • Fat Police
    United better be glad it is in the US. If I am not mistaken, I recall reading that Air Canada has to provide the second seat FREE of charge to LARGE people. This was by court order.
  • Airline Fat Police
    Maybe airlines should use a template sort of like they do at amusement parks (you have to be this tall to ride measurements. Something like fitting thru a narrow doorway (you have to fit thru this to sit in one seat)
  • Fat Police
    There should be no reason, a fat person should be squeezed in to these smaller seats that airlines are NOW providing so they can charge more. I am a very small petite person and I flown frequently for 45+ years and the SEATS and AISLES are much smaller beginning sometime after 9-11. I almost even have to just about have to walk sideways in the aisle because they are sooooo small. Maybe the planes should go back to pre-9-11 size of seats and aisles. Even 3 small people are cramped in the seats that are on the planes now. There is NO foot room. I am only 5'2 & very small person so I don't need much foot room but I am SO tired of being cramped in their tiny seats. Of course, the airlines now are trying to find more ways of charging more for everything,luggage, (food - AA), (drinks on US Air.) So of course they are going to find new ways to charge more. Fat people are just another way for airlines to get more money! I am so tired of airlines getting away with charging for every single thing without anyone telling the airlines - that is enough!!!! Continental is the only airlines that I know of that will give a small meal which is included in our airline fee. Next thing, the airlines will probably charge us if we have to use their restroom.

    So if United Airlines is going to be the fat police, well I won't be flying United ever again! They are going to bill us for every single thing they can. If we don't stand up - we don't say anything when they charge for luggage food or drinks. Before 9-11, we could take 2 pieces of luggage and liquids in a carry-on on board even thru security. We are US citizens and tired of being charged continually for every single thing from the airlines. If United Airlines wants to be the fat police well then United Airlines should give me a 50% discount. The airlines doesn't want to profile all the mideastern descent after 9-11 and as such, the airlines should not profile the size of a person due to their provision of smaller seats so they can make more money. Maybe the airlines needs to make the seats, foot room, and aisles larger as they used to be - instead of cramping so many smaller seats with no foot room or aisles on an airplane so they can charge us more.

    United, this is enough - quit profiling. Good service, normal regular size seats,foot-room & aisles gets more satisfied travelers that will fly again on your airlines.
  • The 'fats only' airline posited by an earlier commenter...
    Sounds like a great idea! Even at my thinnest I was still uncomfortable in those tiny seats, curse my large frame.

    I'd happily pay more for better seats throughout the plane!
  • fat police
    I am a travel agent as well as a large woman. So far, I'm not spilling over into the next seat but, I also see men who are much larger than I am. The football player types. I know they are as uncomfortable as I am. None of us wants to be in your seat either. Make a few rows of extra large seats and I'll be happy to pay a little extra. However, I'm not okay with paying for two tickets. The last time I flew, a couple of men probably about 30 years old made oink oink noises at me. They weren't even sitting near me. I'm still able to get the seatbelt on. So, I think it should be by actual size. Not by the eye of the beholder.
    It is just another reason for many people not to fly. The lack of service and snotty attitude from most airline personnel is another great reason not to fly. I say, bring back good service and accommodate your client based on national averages. Don't even get me started on sitting near a coughing, hacking and sneezing sick person! THEY should not be allowed on the plane at all. I'll take fat over a t.b. infected illegal!!!
  • Small seat, big neighbor
    Flying from NW Washington to Seattle I was seated at the window in a small commuter flight. The last person to enter was my seat partner--an obsese gent walking with crutches. He sat at the aisle with his left leg extended, along with the crutches, crushing me to the window, and I had a bit of a faux panic attack. What if I had to get out suddenly and he couldn't walk? He couldn't move that leg and the crutch? I had a quick response and told him I thought he would be more comfortable with both seats to himself and got up and left to find a FULL plane. When I asked the chatting flight attendants if I could sit somewhere else they told me to try to find a free seat. I was confused and looked around noticing a couple of employees sitting and chatting with the flight attendants (I guess they were on a re-positioning flight, or whatever they call it when they travel) and thought I should have one of their seats! I did see something, asked if I could take it and sat. When the flight attendant finally came by after we were in the air, he said he didn't understand what I was trying to tell him and then he saw WHY I moved. I said I thought the check-in staff were supposed to be aware of these situations and he agreed that they were. I don't know if they could insist that he would have had to buy another seat, but they were supposed to seat him next to an empty seat. When he came by again, he dropped a beautifully wrapped bottle of wine in my lap and apologized for the airline not noticing. He told me that they should have made sure he was in a double seat. I was going to write the company because it really frightened me, but I didn't. Long story short: I'm glad that the flight attendants can now 'eyeball' the customers so someone hopefully won't experience what I did.
  • Discount?
    My girlfriend is 5'4"/98 pounds. Can we get a discount to Vegas?
  • Rail service
    Although the train doesn't go all the places I need, I so enjoyed my experiences. There was plenty of leg room, the seats were large, plugs were available for the cell phone & computer. Not to mention none of the security screening hassles!
  • Fat Police
    Fat people should fly on fat planes. Considering all the obese people these days, the airlines could make a bundle by charging them extra to fly the fat plane made especially for them - - you know, bigger chairs, wider aisles, bigger toilets and bathrooms, more space between the chairs so they can all move around without shoving their blubber in each other's faces.........
  • Fat Police
    I've had the misfortune of being seated
    beside a person who overflowed the seat.
    Fortunately it was a short flight.
    And no,skinny folks like me do not get
    a discount. Get real!
  • weight police
    I only weigh 86 pounds, will they give me a dicount? I doubt it.
  • fat police
    With the all the "normal size" people complaining about the larger passenger, I wonder what would happen if all the over weight people would go ahead and buy up all the seats and the "normal size" people would be out of luck for that flight. Then listen to them cry foul.
  • Airline Seats for fitting peole in them
    Okay, airline sitting is getting ridiculous, I agree. I am of average size and still fit in these tiny sits they provide. HOWEVER, it has been more than once that I get a man or woman who is greatly overweight, and whos flesh spills out beyond the seat area onto me or another person. I have even put a divider like object between the arm and seat bottom to keep their bulging flesh on their side. One (I won't call him a gentlemen) fat guy insisted on using the arm rest the whole 4 hour flight and his bulloted arm leaned into my side and arm. YEP, I am sick and tired of having to share my space with overweight people. They just need to buy 2 seats or loose weight and then fly. Obesity is not a disability, it is addiction to food. Well, smokers had to stop smoking in planes. I guess the obese will have to loose weight or pay more.! And, we won't talk about the smell.
  • The Fat Police
    Has anyone sat down to do the math here? What percentage of passengers fit in the seats as they are now? My guess is it would be the vast majority. Therefore, the complaint that the airlines keep shrinking the seats doesn't hold water. Sure, they want to get as many folks on board as possible, and for good reason. It costs money to fly and if you can take more bodies at one time, it costs less. The airlines already have bigger seats. It's called First Class. And if you want a bigger seat, you pay for it. Plain and simple. For those who are overweight, I would think this may be a benefit as they would not only get a bigger seat but free drinks and snacks! It's like a win win.

    I know that sounded rude. But the fact is, when you buy a ticket you are buying your seat for that flight. Not 2/3 or 3/4 of the seat, the whole seat. If someone is taking up your seat space, you are being robbed of your space. The space that you, not the other passenger, paid for.

    Here's what they airlines need to do. Right next to the little box that checks the size of your carry-on luggage, they put a coach seat. Before you board the plane they ask you to sit in the seat, with the armrests down. If you fit, you're golden. If not, you go back to the counter and pay up. Plain and simple. Would it be embarrassing for some, sure! But is that really a bad thing? Perhaps a few times being sent back to the counter will make one think that losing a few pounds isn't such a bad idea.
  • One Seat or Two?
    Having the flight attendants do this type of policing is outrageous. Flight attendants have enough to do while on board. If fat policing is so necessary for profits, flight safety and passenger comfort then airlines need to take care of this prior to boarding passengers. If carry-ons are gauged by size then passengers should be gauged by girth. Surely there is available technology that airlines can scan passengers for weight and/or girth prior to boarding. Passsengers have to endure everything else -why not this additional humiliation? Then assign appropriately sized seating for the comfort of all passengers not just a few or the 1st class fares. Think about this...what about charging extra for crying babies & kids, for those inclining their seats for an entire flight, thoughtless seat kickers, loud talkers and those who have body odor????? Go for it United!
  • Fat Police
    I fly every week for my job. I hate it when a fat person spills over into my seat, too. On the other hand I used to be pretty fat when I was younger but not to the point where I'd take up the next seat. There's no solution to this problem no matter what people dream up. It's a small space and the airlines are there to make money and get you where you're going (not really there to make you comfortable along the way) therefore they will not make the seats bigger anytime soon.

    I'm 6-2 220 lbs and my knees always are up against the seat in front of me. I have a longer torso so the seat arches too low (midway up my back) so I can't even lean back and be comfortable.

    Maybe they should create another "class" between coach and business/first. These seats are a little bigger and you don't get better food and drink? I don't know. Some Asian carriers do this already.
  • charging for 2 seats
    I think the responsibilty if the airlines who keep making the seats smaller and smaller. Soon even the average sized flyer will need to buy 2 seats.
  • Stealing
    If you are taking up any part of another paying passengers's seat, then you are stealing from that person. Being overweight is not a license to steal from others.
  • Fat Police
    The question is not whether or not the seats are too small, its whether or not we should require those who do not fit in the seats provided to pay extra. I have to pay the same price as an overweight person and should be entitled to my full seat. I should not have to "share" part of my seat because the person next to me is overweight, therefore, I think it is only fair that the overweight person pays for the extra space they need rather than use part of my space. But, if you want to discuss whether or not the seats need to be enlarged, then I would readily agree that the problem would be easily solved with larger seats.
  • Charge by weight alone.
    Why not just charge customers by weight only? This would include baggage. No extra charges would be needed. The more weight you bring on the plane the more you pay. Simple.
  • Airline seats
    As an obese person, I expect to pay for the space that I use, whether on an airplane, a bus, or a train. I do not want to be uncomfortable either.
  • The Thrill of Flying
    So, charge more for "large" people taking up extra seat room. Let's charge for the skinny person that takes up the arm rest so you can't put your arm down or refused to get up to let you in and out of your window/middle seat. And let's charge the person in back of you that keeps resting his newspaper on your head. And let's have a "Seat Kick" charge for the kid behind you that keeps kicking the seat. It will never end. I'd rather drive than fly. It's more relaxing.
  • get real
    TO GW ABOVE ME IVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT YOU KNOW GOOD AND WELL THE SEATS ARE TO SMALL SO THAY CAN PACK AS MANY SARDINES AS POSSIBLE IN THAT FLYING TUBE, PEOPLE HAVE NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT ME BEING TO BIG,I RESPECT THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO ME !!!EVEN GIVE UP MY ARM REST CAUSE IM IN LA LA LAND AFTER I TAKE MY ZANEX, !!LOL SO GET REALLY REAL. TIM SAID THAT
  • Take Advantage of the airlines
    The airlines are taking advantage of you so you should do what you can to take advantage of them. Most, NOT ALL, airlines will reimburse you a full round trip flight ticket if you volunteer to be bumped to a later flight. U.S. Airways is one of those airlines that overbooks their flights on a regular basis. When they do have a flight that is overbooked they actually send out a announcement in the gate area asking for volunteers. If you volunteer you get a free round trip ticket. The free tickets are subject to blackout dates, but they will allow you to take $200 off a ticket you have to buy. I once acquired 4 free round trip tickets in one day from U.S. Airways. I, of course, spend most of the day in the airport. The trick is to buy a plane ticket for the earliest flight out on a busiest flight day, like a holiday, and walk straight to the ticket counter, AT THE GATE, and tell them you are willing to volunteer your seat. At that point you just wait for boarding. At that point either they will announce that the flight is oversold or your will have people who are on standby and just NEED to get on that flight. For other airlines make sure you tell them that you are willing to bump your flight if they give you a free round trip ticket as compensation. Most will not offer it to you unless you specifically ask. This will not work for all people, especially those in a time crunch, or with small children.
  • Upgrade your flight
    I am man who is 6.1 and built like a football player. I am in pretty good shape, but I am bulky. Coach seats were not made for people like me. I have decided to read up on airlines and how they handle upgrades to business/first class. I live in Atlanta and my family is in Oregon. I have flown a number of different airlines and I now stick to U.S. Airways, Continental, and United. They all have pretty easy and cheap system for first class upgrades. I stopped flying Delta a few years ago, because there upgrade system is the worst and useless in my opinion. U.S. Airways is my carrier of choice. I could probably wrie a book on how much I loathe Delta, but I won¡¦t.

    The first thing I do is try to fly out in the middle of a week, if possible. If I can¡¦t fly out in the middle of the week then I try to fly out on the latest flight they have. This way the flights are not going to be packed. I then search for the best price I can find. 24 hours before my flight I call customer service and check for extra first class seats on my flight. 9 out of 10 times there usually are. I usually pay no more than $150.00 to upgrade, but I normally pay anywhere from $50 to $100 to upgrade. Paying that extra money is very much worth the wider first class seat and free drinks. ƒº

    Most flights on most airlines, that far across the country, are two legs. If the second leg is an hour or two I won¡¦t upgrade that leg, but I will definitely upgrade the first leg.
  • Get real
    You need anger management, Tim. This is long overdue and certainly fair to those who have to sit next to large folks. If you cannot fit into the space you paid for, you need to buy more space.
  • fat police
    now im getting mad, i try and travel to south america every year with my wife who sits next to me ,im a big person, and my wife is small and she is uncomfortable so you know i would be, its a 13 hour flight ,and if they try to make me pay for an extra seat i will not be able to afford to go see my family im not rich,im disabled and barely getting by, so i will try and sue the airlines thats ridickulus !!!!
  • Discrimination?
    To the dolt who said that there should be a lawsuit for discrimination...WHAT? You cannot be serious? We are talking about fee for service free market economy transaction. What next? Extra chicken legs for the tubbos because they eat more then the average American?

    While we are at it, we should subsidize the extra material in their clothing and give them extra soap rations.

    If this was a smoking issue, we would not hesitate to stomp this out. Without delving into the unending hyperbole of mental and physical choice and actions, being obese is a personal choice for most people and they should pay extra when they ask for extra, just like when they want 5 scoops of ice cream for a 4 scoop sundae.
  • oversized
    Airline passengers should be checked for size and weight just like their luggage is. If they can't pass through a size template make them buy a supersized seat. Enuf of this letting them slip bye into my seat.
  • fat police
    i think it sux ,!! thank you obama !!
  • Weight
    Airline tickets are expensive I for one do not want to sit next to someone not contained in their set. They should pay for the space that they use. I think it is fair.
  • Obese rule for flying
    Airlines should make sure their flight attendants are no longer overweight also. I am so tired of sitting in the aisle and as they go pass me, their hips or thighs brush my arm.
  • airlines
    did anyone think that the seats are made smaller so they can fit more people
  • Flight attendants=fat police
    I don't think this is right at all. People are larger these days and with all the money that is already paid to fly there should already be seats available for larger individuals. This should be a lawsuit for discrimination. Obese people have enough to deal with without being called out because of their weight on a flight. I don't think obese or larger people should be made to pay more but the airlines should use what they have to adjust the seats.
  • Americans are SMALLER, not bigger
    To the person below who says these planes were built when people were bigger. It's the opposite. The U.S. is one of the few countries whose population has gotten shorter (after a long period of getting taller and taller, up until recent decades.) Most attribute this to our awful diet these days. Not only that, but planes have reduced their seat width sizes in recent years. So with due respect, yo uhave it backwards.
  • Obese Passengers
    I think it is about time they gave some of the power to the people who work onboard the airplane...if you ever had to sit next to some one who actually "spilled" over into and onto your seat and leg and arm, etc. you would most definitely agree with me....
  • Fat Police
    These planes were built when people were smaller in stature. You have 16 year olds that are 6'8 and have to fly with their knees against the seat in front of them. Ver painful.

    The problem oftentimes is not the person but the size of the seat. Have you noticed how small the seats are? Americans are big people. I don't mean those that are obese. I'm talking about your average American citizen. We eat well, consume lots of steroids which is in the meat, and produce children who tower over kids in other countries. If you are over six feet tall and are muscular in build--not fat, you will not sit comfortably in the seat if seated with someone of your same build. These seats were designed and built during a time when Americans were smaller.

    In grade school we had desks for average sized students. Remember the kind that was bolted to the floor? In the back of the classroom there were a couple of desks for kids who were a bit larger. No embarrassment to the child. The teacher assigned seats and would assign the larger child the seat without any embarrassment to them.

    The airlines should have seats in the back of the plane for obese persons. If you know you are obese there should be something that a passenger could click when ordering their ticket to note they will need a larger seat. First come, first served. If there aren't any availbable they have to pay to occupy 2 seats. If they don't indicate they are obese and later find themselves taking up two seats then the embarrassment is on them for not being forthright--liar, liar, pants on fire!
  • I've never seen someone turn *white* before...
    I was on a crowded flight and congratulated myself on getting the only seat left on the plane without someone beside me. Just as they were about to close the door, one last customer came in. I could see only his head come down the aisle. He stopped at my row and pointed at the seat beside me. I politely got up to let him in. He raised the arm rest and sat down...and took over half of *my* seat that I paid for. There's no denying it: he was an evil bastard and he did it on purpose. He *stole* the seat that I paid for. There was no other seat in Coach left; I was left standing in the aisle.

    The flight attendant came down and was *speechless*. Yes, she actually turned *white*. That was almost worth losing my seat. I, however, got lucky. The flight attendant, still speechless, motioned me to follow her and I ended up in First Class.

    Yes, it was nice to get a First Class seat. However, it shouldn't have happened in the first place. That guy deliberately stole my seat. What would have happened if First Class was full?
  • Customers of size
    Southwest Airlines has a policy for "Customers of Size", as they call them.

    As a "marginal" Customer of Size (I can usually fit into a single seat, but depending on the plane configuration it can be a bit of an adventure), I have used this policy, and purchased an additional ticket when booking (their website tells you how). Then, if the flight doesn't fill up, they will refund the extra seat (if you call and ask). No hassles whatsoever. The biggest issue was trying to make sure that my wife and I could sit together, and still get the extra "seat", and that wasn't much of a problem, either.

    This works great from a variety of perspectives - as a traveler, I know I'm not going to be embarassed at the gate, but I am going to get sufficient space. Yes, I'm going to pay a bit more for my extra seat, but at SWA's prices, that's not so painful. And the airline knows how many seats it needs upfront, so that no one gets bumped, and hopefully that avoids them having to be the "fat police". It's pretty much a win-win, if you're willing to take the risk that you'll have to pay. I suppose I am, because it's still cheaper than flying first class.

    As for United's new policy, I can tell you that it's going to be a mess, since everyone's seats are already assigned, unless they get people to do the purchasing upfront. Plus, who's going to want to sit at the gate while the flight attendants and gate agents hold everything up while measuring a "suspicious" person. Nobody wins then.

    I'm all for the comfort of the flying passengers - all of them. In reality, I think the problem really lies in the economics of flying. We all want cheap flights. In fact, recreational travelers are paying no more now per seat than they did 25 years ago, while everything on the airplane, from the fuel to the flight attendants, costs the company more and more. So they cram in the seats a little tighter, to increast that revenue, and they fly fewer flights, to get more revenue per mile flown. There's a whole body of math to this, but at the end of the day, the airline seats are too darn tight even for the average American, let alone the obese or broad-shouldered, in order to make the airline more money. You can blame different passenger groups, but if airplane seats were the size of car seats, we wouldn't be having any of this discussion.
  • Fat Police
    If a passenger is too big to fit in their own seat and they impose on me and my comfort, in a seat I paid for, then they should buy a seat or second seat that they actually fit in. I'm travel frequently, a platinum, and it has happened repeatedly that I suffer because of a neighboring passenger that ate too many cookies! I agree with the seat belt rule - its fair and objective. If it doesn't fit, you must acquire a 2nd seat!
  • fat people on airplanes
    Not sure who should police fat passengers. However I liken this to government "politically correct" intervention in making insurance companies insure people, houses on beaches, and extremely high risk people and places "to level the field". I think the less intervention in the market place, the better service almost everyone gets and at a much lower price.
  • United Airlines
    I just feel there should be larger seat that may cost a little more for those who need it. Not sure how much more. I know the seats use to be larger in the 70's and things changed after time.

    Thank you, Sandy
  • Fat People Should Lose Weight or Pay Extra
    People that are fat and need two seats should be made to purchase them. Flying is not a right, it is a service and therefore the seller can set the rules. If anyone is familiar with European low fare airlines would understand this. Ryan Air weighs your carry on bag because of the abuses of what people will try to stow in the cabin. How is this any different?

    What I would like to see is something akin to the cabin luggage steel cage checker. Lets put a representative seat out there in the check in line and if they can't fit in it, they can't get on the flight.

    Oh yes, it is so unfair that we discriminate against yet another segment of society, but I don't think that Black people will appreciate comparing their struggle with that of fat people. Get over it.
  • The odd couple
    My sister and I took a flight from Teaxas to Florida once when were were in our tween years and we were not able to sit next to one another. When we boarded the plane we were relieved to see that we were just one asile away from each other, but when my sister saw who was coming to sit next to her she shot me a look of fear and disgust. A woman who had to weigh at least 300 lbs squeezed into the seat next to my sister squashing her against the window. Her gigantic fat rolls hanging over the arm rests and resting on my poor sisters thigh and arm. 2 or 3 hours she has to spend at the mercy of this woman's mismanaged body weight. Not to say that overweight people are disgusting but people who are obese have to look at it from and "normal" person's point of view. Would you want someone's body parts squshing you against the window of an aircraft? Would you want to be in said position for any amount of time unable to get up to use the lavatory beacuse this peoson is so big they cannot move to let you by in the asile? If you want to say that we are being judgmental you are DAMN right! I never want to be in that position, my sister never agian wated to be in that position. Sometimes it helps to gain perspective by putting yourself in someone else's shoes.
  • Fat Peoples Seating
    I have been crammed in a back row, window seat with a really obese gentleman taking up the two seats next to me and part of mine and can tell you it is very uncomfortable. If there was an accident I would never be able to get out. I think the extra charge is warranted!!
  • Overweight Airline Passengers
    I truly feel this is such a bunch of crap! Like many others have stated the initial seats are smaller than normal so to think we pay all this money for uncomfortable seating, lousy snacks, late service that no one at the airlines can ever explain, or cares that they made you late. My husband and I drive 14 hrs to and from Atlanta /Philadelphia because with all the restrictions it takes 4-6 hrs before you're even there and that's if they are running on time, and we aren't bothered by rude airline personnel. So if you are going to punish obese people are you going to punish people with uncontrolable kids or passengers that have odors. I once sat next to a man whose breath smell like he ate his bowel movement and he sleep and snored the entire flight, i had to sit with my shirt covering my nose because the smell was revolting! Well American Airlines, I will never use your airlines if you impose this, it's heartless, rude and your not thinking of the persons feeling and what they deal with every day. Very shameful,
  • AIRLINE FEES
    FIRST THEY SHOULD PUT SEATS IN BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMADATE AN"OBESE" PERSON.IF YOU ARE GOING TO PAY MORE YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SIT IN THOSE SEATS THAT ARE BUILT FOR THOSE WHO WEIGHT 110 POUNDS OR LESS..THIS IS JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SCAM MONEY OUT OF PEOPLE..THEY WANT TO SELL THAT SMALL SEAT FOR A BIG PRICE..
  • Obese passengers
    The last time I flew was when AA was adding two inches to their legroom on the big jets. The flight from Dallas to Boston was one of the best flights. The return flight was on an unmodified wide body AC from Boston to Dallas. A miserable flight. At that time I swore off flying unless the plane had expanded seating. Then came 911 and AA and others took out the extra inches. I'am a tall guy (6'2" and weight 245). The seats were cramped with no leg room. Now I drive my big honking SUV when I travel.
  • Overweight passengers
    Every pound added to an aircraft increases the cost per mile to operate. Carriers should charge accordingly.
  • Don't make the employees decide
    I feel bad for the airline employees who will have to make a decision w/no real guidelines. That isn't fair to them.

    Perhaps the rule should be set that if the passenger needs an extender-belt (meaning you can't get the regular seat belt to close) the airline employee then charges for the 2nd seat? At least that is a concrete measure. It eliminates the opinion & variation you would have between different employees who are making the judgment call.

    If employees are using their opinion on this, it leaves room for debate & argument. They have enough to do getting that plane ready for a safe, on time takeoff that adding that to their job responsibilities is too much.
  • Fat police
    If the airlines would offer customers an option to actually get a larger seat instead of the constantly shrinking ones, I think this can be avoided. I would pay extra, even though I fit in a normal size one. But people like Football players who have large shoulders are just as uncomfortable as overweight people. I can't stand having a shoulder invade my space. What are they doing about that. But they make seats smaller and smaller to cram more cattle into the plane and then complain when not everyone can fit. I would love to buy 2 seats many times, but I don't get that option now. How about allowing normal weight people buy 2 seats too?
  • it happened to me
    I once was on a flight seated next to an incredibly obese man -- no exaggeration, at least 500 pounds. At boarding, when he came to sit down, I got up, he lifted the armrest between his seat and mine, and swung himself into his seat. His body took up all of his seat and nearly all of mine. When I asked the flight attendant to address the situation I was told that the issue was basically between him and me. I ended up spending the entire flight standing next to the lavatory.

    I am glad to see such a rule -- I don't want to punish anyone, but that should include me not being punished for the obesity of others. If someone buy a seat then it is theirs to sit in, and if they cannot fit then they are taking away part or all of someone else's seat. I'm sorry if someone is too big to fit in the seat, the airlines need to control the situation to some degree.
  • Fat Police
    I have sat next to vastly obiese people and I can tell you that it is a most unpleaseant experience.
  • Flights and weight loss
    At least the airline's are doing their part in helping people lose weight. You are lucky to get a bag with 5 peanuts in it on most flights!
  • FAT Police
    This is not a issue about Weight of Passengers, It is about cramped seating. Stacking passengers of any size into a sardine can. Moving the seating distance one inch makes tremendous differences, and Having a seat that is wide enough for the average person should be required, Yes as a society we have "Grown” over the last 20-30 years, so why have the seats not grown too!
  • Airline Passergers
    I cannot believe how ignoble many of these comments are. I am not someone who would need two seats, but I am an understanding individual. People need to travel for work, family purposes, to see friends, vacation, and many other reasons. Maybe someone who is overweight would prefer to drive or take another form of transportation. I do not know a single person who is overweight and is proud of it. To see comments like many of those in this forum are disheartening. I suspect that many of these writers have something about them that they may not be too proud of. Should airline then single out people for too much hair, because they consume too much alcohol, because they did not shower and have some bad BO, because they were once in jail, because they once ran a red light, smoked a joint, stole money out of their parents wallets, etc. You get the idea. Just because someone is overweight, does not make them automatically a bad person. The airlines have made coach seats smaller over the years. Please do not punish, degrade or belittle someone because they are overweight. Have some compassion, if you feel squeezed out, ask a flight attendant for another seat if possible. If there are none, instead of sitting there looking discussed at the overweight person, take up a conversation with her or him. They may be a very nice person whose company you might enjoy on a flight. Let’s have some more compassion for our fellow travelers. Those who are overweight also feel uncomfortable when their body is covering more than one small 17 inch seat.
  • Let's be upfront about this
    Seats are too small for all but short flights. I'm not small but am willing to pay more for a comfortable seat. Buying two seats is not the answer, it is punative.

    I'd like to see more airlines use 717's with two by two seating like Midwest used to offer.

    I think part of the problem is the way airline tickets are obtained. Many of us business people have little say in what we fly. The airlines only look at the source of the payment and not at the customer who occupies the seat.
  • Fat vs Big
    As crazy as this story sounds, truth is, it's a fact of life. I am a very frequent flier, and I am also a BIG flier. I am 6'5", but I am not fat. My issue is legroom mostly, but if I am seated next to someone who is obese, I am cramped in two directions. I think they should be required to purchase a second seat, but at least at a discounted rate as opposed to full fare.
  • Fat Police
    I think they need some type of policy but it should NOT be happen at the gate after you've bought a ticket. If you take your luggage there and it doesn't fit you can have it checked but what if your butt doesn't fit and there are no more seats? Without a refundable ticket I assume you've lost more than just having to buy two seats. Anyone buying a ticket needs to know that their butt best fit in a 17 inch seat...that's probably not just going to be real obese people but moderly obese folks too.
  • Seat size vs passenger size
    It would be easy enough to determine if the potential passenger fits within the seat and armrest width. Occasionally a person with an extra wide upper body (shoulder to shoulder width or elbow to elbow) is just simply too big to avoid intruding into the ajoining passenger seat space.

    As a frequent traveler I encounter this issue several times a year and it is not comfortable for either the large person or for ajoining passengers.

    As an alternative to two seats, give them priority to purchase a first class ticket. Those seats typically will accomodate larger individuals.
  • airlines
    What can be done? I mean, most people buy airline tickets on-line. Will a question by the airlines be: age? (over 18?) Weight: ____? Wlll people lie, say they weigh 110 lbs and then the flight gets booked? Then what? A 500 lb person sits next to you?

    What can be done? This will be interesting! (but yes, I am all for the weight limit thing).

    One point: would you rather sit next to a 110 lb mom/dad who does nothing about their screaming kids or a 300 lb person who is quiet?
  • Overweight passengers
    I find the level of intolerance and judgement of the readers' comments on this subject very sad and disheartening. Nobody has thought about how much smaller the seats have become in order to allow for more passengers to fit on a plane. No one has considered what the implications of the airlines charging extra for larger passengers might be if they decide to shrink the seats some more and say, someone who merely has hips a little wider than others is singled out to buy an additional ticket. No one has considered what it might feel like to be humiliated and singled out while on the plane or how that passenger might feel after spending hard earned dollars to purchase one seat only to find out they have to purchase another. Will they receive a refund? And has anyone thought about the prejudice that could create the drama of a person who could fit comfortably in a seat being singled out just because the attendant might be having a bad day or has an issue with folks who aren't a size 2? Come on, people - look at things from the other person's perspective. Maybe the airlines should consider having a section for the larger sized passengers that would have larger seats to accomodate them - at an extra price if need be. How many overweight people actually need two whole seats, after all?
  • Overweight Passengers
    I too have been trapped in a small plame by a large passenger. I support he moves by United and others, but I suggest a few tweaks. Firts, they probably need to post a height / weight chart or circumfrence measurment so folks can tell where they fall in the policy before they book. This has the added benefit of giving passengers the opportunity to buy the second seat up front at whatever availabe discounts might be available VS buying a seat at takeoff time - sometimes the most expensive way to buy a seat. Airlines also need to impliment a policy to mark adjacent non-movale seats. A large frind of mine tells a story about a flight to Hawaii where the adjacent seats he bought were moved by the airline when they had to change to a diffent aircraft. The two seats were now several rows apart. An example of trying to do the right thing gone wrong. The policy as it exists can be fair, but it needs these adjustments first.
  • big people on little airlines
    i would say bump them up to 1st but then everyone would get in on the deal. if you are that big and have to fly and can't get bumped up to 1st, you should be able to ride with the baggage for 1/2 price or free:)
  • Ex-Large Passengers
    I totally concur with United Airlines charging an extra fee for overweight passengers. I am a petite woman who was once sandwiched in between two large men - it was the most uncomfortable flight of my life! I hope this will motivate the slightly heavier folks to loose weight, for the sake of their health! I am 100% behind airlines implementing this rule.
  • Overweight Fliers
    I think airlines that don't adopt this rule should at least reimburse the total cost of the ticket to a passenger who cannot fly comfortably due to sitting next to an overweight person.
  • about dang time!
    After being crammed between someone that took up 1.5 seats and another unfortunate flyer for 2 hours, I have no sympathy for someone that cannot fit into one seat. It's time for americans to quit blaming others. If you cannot fit into one seat then you should buy 2 or 3, or however many it takes for you not to encroach on someone else's space.
  • overweight t ravelers
    It would make people lose weight, if they get hit in the wallet.
  • seats
    With the majority of Americans overweight, why don't the airlines refit their seats to allow more room? Maybe the old seat layouts don't fit the majority of today's fliers.
  • large passengers
    People that are large know that they are large. It is unfair for them to make others miserable. Until obesity becomes protected as a disibility than it is fair game. There may be a need for the airlines to put size restrictions and requirements on heir websites to eliminate problems. These oversize people are the ones that request "exit row" seats for the additional room. To me that becomes a safety concern because they pay in advance.
    I am sensitive to a point, but enough is enough. They need to be sensative too.
  • If it doesn't fit...
    If your carry-on luggage doesn't fit in the overhead bin or under the seat, then you have to make other arrangements. Likewise, if your butt doesn't fit in the seat, you will also have to make other arrangements - ie. but an extra seat, take the train, etc.
  • Large People
    Yes I agree that OBESE people need to pay for two seats if they are that large. After all my own sister wanted to go flying one day and she was at that time a large tub of lard, And trying to be nice to her I told her to get in the front while I would sit in the back(cub)and before I propped the engine, I tried to get in my seat, nope that wasn't going to happen. That's when she realize that she needed to really needed to lose some weight. But I'm proud of my sister, She lost about a 100lbs now and she is only about 50lbs shy of her goal, and I can climb into the the pilots seat and take here flying now in that little cub. And to top it off, she feels better now that she not toting all that lard around with her. Hellofawomen, went flying with her crazy brother in a little bitty airplane and started to learn the basic's!!!
  • Extra seat charge
    Simple: Set a maximum waist size and discreetly measure the passenger.
  • If I may
    wouldn't it make more sense to have the person buy the extra seat back when they bought the ticket? If you're obese you already know if you're gonna spill out over the seat. Now I realize that some people won't police themselves in which case the stewards will have to do the policing. The only other question is how do they define obese?
  • Seating the obese
    I do think it's unfortunate that so many people in the US are obese (33% by some stats). The airline is entitled to make x dollars per seat filled when they book flights. If someone clearly spills over into another seat and another person is unable to be placed into that seat because of it, the obese person should be asked to purchase another seat or find another means of travel. Now they would have to set very stringent guidelines on what constitutes "spilling over into the next seat" in order to be consistent and fair. I also think that they should make sure to handle it discretely.
  • Too wide
    If a passenger is wider than the seat, they will be taking up room on another person's seat or sticking out in the asile. If that is the case, then the oversized passenger should pay for two seats. The oversized passenger is essentially stealing of they take up part of another passengers seat. If the plane isn't full and there are 2 emptly seats next to each other, then the oversized passenger shouldn't be charged extra.
  • Rawhide
    We're headed toward the day when airline passengers are treated exactly like cattle. The air fare will be computed based on weight and miles flown, just like a load of heifers on the way to market.

    Moooo!
  • Airlines and fat police
    With a previous example with the airline Souhwest, while trveling with the wife they made me buy a extra ticket. I am a large person and was able to sit next to my wife with the armrest down and not hinder both of us. I feel I was singled out for a extra sale due to my size.
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