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Apr 09, 2009 -- Clark on red light cameras, speed cameras and more

One of the perennially popular Clark Stinks topics is Clark's take on speed cameras, red light cameras and other traffic devices.

States argue these devices are for safety's sake, but the consumer champ maintains they're just intended to bolster the tax coffers.

To say they're unpopular would be a gross understatement. In fact, The Wall Street Journal reports that some angry Arizonians are donning Santa suits and smashing that state's many cameras. The citizenry is in revolt!

Now The Washington Post reports that Maryland is getting ready to implement speed cameras of its own.

Interestingly, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration finds that only 5% of all accidents are caused by speeding and only 2% are caused by running a red light.

So what does cause accidents? Three things primarily: Driving off the side of the road; crossing the center line; and actually falling asleep behind the wheel.

There's also the problem of distracted drivers in the era of the Blackberry and other handheld devices. Many states now have legislation pending to outlaw these devices while driving. See USA TODAY for a select list of states.

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  • Roanoke, VA
    They are getting ready to add some here in Roanoke, VA. I am hoping that someone will go to court and assert their Sixth Amendment right to face and cross-examine their accuser.

    It would be interesting to see who the city wrangles up to sit in the chair.
  • unfair citation
    This intersection , in duncanville is now famous, Iwas in court w/ approx. 20 people w/ citations, ALL rolling rt. turn no stop before, pictures doctored to convince the driver that he did not properly, stop before turning, a broad white, at some time during our sleeping has been situated so that you can not clearly see to your left, so after sopping, you must pull up to get a clear view, then turn, they dr. up the film speed up the turn, causing the appearence of a rolling rt. turn, then thearten you w/ no lis. renewal unless you pay the $75.00 + $25.00 late fee.
  • Public Safety
    There isn’t one single community (of any size) that I’ve traveled to in more than five years where you do not see people regularly running the red lights. Twenty-plus years ago the traffic lights were programmed to allow a delay between the time the light turns red and the other light turns green. This delay created a short period of time where all sides would see a red light. The hope was that, for a short period, no one would either run the red nor jump the green. Well, over the years we’ve all become used to that built-in lag time. Now everyone calculates how long the light will be red before it might be too dangerous to pass through it. This behavior has become more the norm than the exception. As a career firefighter, I have the regular misfortune of seeing the aftermath of this foolish behavior. I see these Red Light Cameras as a positive force in improving Public Safety.

    Every year we all see our community officials explaining to us how we will have to pay more in property taxes while receiving fewer services for our money. Police and Fire are seeing positions being eliminated. But the general public still expects to receive the same level of services (protection). That’s just not going to happen. The Red Light Cameras are a way for communities to “Enforce By Proxy”. These lights allow a dwindling police presence to be more effective.

    And don’t even go near the “Big Brother” argument. If you’re not doing anything wrong you’ll have nothing to worry or be upset about.
  • Red light cameras
    ( years ago my 21 year old son was illed when his car was hit by someonr eunning a stop sign. If there had been a camera there, maybe the other person would have been more careful. Sometimes the only way to get people to listen is to hit them in their pocketbook.
  • Red Light Cameras
    Red light cameras were created by a private enterprise with an office in N.C. The money fine money was sent directly to the private company and part of the fine was given to the local Law Enforcement. However, it was discovered that the money was spent by the Law Enforcement was misused and should have gone to the School system. Also each light has to have 4 (four) seconds of amber before Red. Local laws governing fine distribution should be checked.
  • Red Light Cameras
    In Germantown, TN. red light camera's are setup at an intersection that was listed as the most accident-prone intersection in the Memphis are because people ran the red light. After having these cameras in place for over 2 years, this location on Poplar Ave. (Hwy 72) is no longer in the top 10 must less the number one accident prone location in West Tennessee. The number of innocent people hurt from the previous accidents created by cars, semi's, and buses running red lights cost the tax payers more than the fines collected. Without punishment to the people running the red lights, it would not have stopped.

    Clark, in the future review your facts better before declaring war on something that actually has helped prevent accidents. Changing human behavior is difficult to achieve without something to re-enforce and apparently the tickets given have achieved it in this instance. Plenty of signs are up stating these cameras are on the site so it isn't like a speed trap. All we want is folks to obey the law.
  • Traffic Cameras
    OK, so I've read all of these comments. Now, I ask a simple question to all of those who do not want the cameras. Do you want to be crippled in the hospital or DEAD due to being T-boned? This is about safety. I am a bus driver and I see red lights run on a daily basis here in Las Vegas. I also see lots of ambulances racing to accidents caused by speeding and running red lights. We have the cameras but they are not used for ticketing. I wish they were.
    If a city is tweeking the lights then they should be called on it. But that does not mean that the cameras are no good.
    As for the revenue issue; maybe we should stop putting cameras in stores because it only helps capture the robbers and then we all have to pay those court costs and jail costs in our taxes.
  • RED LIGHT CAMERAS
    I live in Madison Wisconsin and for most drivers red lights AND STOP SIGNS
    mean slow down to 15 or 20 before running same. I LOOK FORWARD TO ANY WAY IN STOP THESE JERKS FROM KILLING MORE PEOPLE. js
  • Cameras on highways
    I usually agree with most every thing you say. However, on this one, you are way off base. Here in the Phoenix area the protestors seem to be those who don't want to get caught breaking the law. Why else would they be opposed to cameras? I suspect they are the ones driving 80 miles an hour in a 65 mile an hour zone. I've got news for them. They deserve to be caught because they are a danger to everyone else on the road. Maybe one of the reasons the accident rates are so low is that the rest of us who believe in obeying the law have to watch out for the nuts that make driving difficult and sometimes dangerous. One of the protestors just killed a man when he shot numerous times into a van operating some of the cameras.
  • Speed cameras
    There is actually some evidence that these types of devices, when visible to the driver, actually contribute to accidents. Drivers begin concentrating on the cameras and lose focus on their driving.
  • Traffic Cameras
    Unless that camera can positively identify the driver, the defendant can beat the charge. Just charging the owner of the vehicle doesn't hit it. The driver may be a spouse, child, relative or a friend. May even be stolen. I know in Ohio, to charge a person for a misdemeanor traffic offense, it must be a witnessed offense.
  • WA State and red light cameras
    In WA State the law provides that an officer must present the ticket to you. This makes such red light cameras unenforceable as moving violation. So what do our lovely cities do to avoid the intent of the law? They enact civil codes (non-moving violations) that prohibit running a red light and send you a ticket in the mail. Note to WA residents - you can in most cases petition the city/jurisdiction that you were not the driver to avoid paying anything. Do your research and fight back.
  • red light cameras
    I am for red light cameras. I was caught by a camera at the intersection of Upper Riverdale Road and Tara Blvd. I did run the red light and the pictures taken by the camera did clearly show this. I will not run a red light or even a yellow light again. Other people have also learned this lesson. Look at the local governments in the Atlanta area that are discontinuing the use because the cameras have done their jobs and people have stopped running red lights. I don't understand people who oppose this. It is against the law to run red lights. It has nothing to do with people who have just lost a job or forclosed on or anything else. Running a red light is against the law.
    I traveled this intersection 3 times a week and every time I have witnessed at least 3 cars run the red light.
    When something is against the law don't do it and don't be surprised by getting a fine or arrested. It is as simple as that.
  • Red Light & Speed Cameras
    I don't care if states, counties, and cities DO use cameras to generate revenue. They are issuing tickets to people who are breaking the law!

    What part of "illegal" do you not understand?
  • It is about money
    I agree with this comment by Savage below: "Let the police give the tickets, not the equipment companies. As a matter of fact, it should be illegal an unconstitutional for a BUSINESS to make a commission off of convicting people of a crime."

    The problem is turning it all into money business. Where is the money to pay the officers? There is money problem one.

    I'd rather have officers enforcing the law, where they use their best judgement about the situation rather than just maximizing fees collected. We can't have third parties making commissions from snapping photos of technical violations. There is money problem two.
  • CAMERAS
    IF everyone were treated equally it might be acceptable, BUT the Sheriff of the Jacksonville (FL) Sheriff's Office has stated that his officers are not required to obey traffic laws -- so they speed, run red lights, change lanes with no signal, etc so on and so forth!!! I think they should not be allowed!
  • Traffic cameras
    I live in a rural area and therefore dont deal with this issue first hand. My opinion is that while I believe the less govt intrusion into our lives the better, I really dont mind the idea of Red-light cameras. I do however greatly dislike the thought of Speed-cameras. In my experience the majority of drivers choose to travel at a reasonable speed for road conditions and while there will always be the few exceptions who drive like idiots I would much rather see them detained by an actual officer and hopefully recieve more than just a speeding ticket. So, thats my $0.02 worth and I already here some of you saying we cant have it both ways, either cameras are evil or they are necessary. I think that as in life there is a balance to be found.
  • Ticket
    I dont know what to say about all these because for the last month, a cop has been sitting right across from our office building in City of Commerce ticketing people literally non stop. I have worked there for 18 years and this is the first time that I have witnessed this. With the amount of tickets he wrote up, it will clog up our court system and during this bad economic time, there will be many people who cant afford to pay, resulting in the loss of one's driving privilege besides everything else that one may have lost, eg a job, or home. If he is ticketing people because of safety issues, I can understand but to do this solely for the purpose of collecting money for the city is absolutely ridiculous. I hate to think how many people he ticketed were people who had just lost their job and out there looking for another one.
  • red light cameras
    This is simply an easy and quick way to make money at the expense of relatively innocent taxpayers.
    It should be outlawed. And local lawmakers who promote it should be voted out also.
  • Traffic Monitoring
    I would think that cell phone usage--in hand--would be the cause of more accidents than the other traffic violations listed in your article. The positive side of having traffic monitoring devices could be if there was an Amber alert or perhaps even tracking terrorists or other such people. It's made me a safer driver to watch the lights much more. I also use my cruise control in the city and the highway. I cannot afford a 200.00+ ticket for speeding. With the cruise control on in the city, I can keep my eyes on the road watching out for other things that might happen. I do have a led foot and I like to go fast. But I'd rather not pay a fine.
  • I am amazed Clark!
    I am amazed that you have not picked up the huge cost to you and everyone in our country from the "excess" gas used by the speeders on our highways. Do the math and report back to us, how many millions of gallons of gas a day are burned by speeding that could keep the price of gasoline at sane levels for all of us!
  • Red Light cameras
    Our son got a ticket from one of these cameras despite the fact that he sat through the entire light cycle. Why? Because his front tires were past the stop line. So, if you don't stop before the stop line you might as well run the light you are getting the ticket anyway.
  • Red Light Cameras or any Cameras
    If it was devised by our govt. without a watch group "governing" what they are doing, then it is severely flawed and will bring in $ for the govt. If property used for its purpose and not punishing people unfairly, then okay.
  • Pennsylvania Yahoos
    The red-light runners here are teh rule, not the exception. Plainly obvious. Every intersection now is a slow down for me, for I simply do not trust the other driver anymore. Bring the cameras on.
  • Red-light
    It these lights were set up to catch red light runners, then that would be valid. BUT the state decreases the yellow light duration by half or more. Red light cameras are a scam. Also in these laws you are presumed guilty. You have given away your rights too easily. SHAME
  • Camera's Speeding
    These camera's are doing a good job in contolling traffic if your not speeding no problem.
  • Red Light Cameras
    I am so tired of these idiots running red lights, I hope they nail them all.
  • radar/laser jammers work. "fixing" your plates works too.the cameras are everywhere in sweden,if they cant see your face driving in a pic,you cant be fined. also...a good atty helps...happy driving/good luck,and get outta my way
  • Speed and Red Light Cameras
    I agree with this!! Anything to reduce the number of people who run red lights.
  • Red light cameras & speeding
    Sorry folks. I just noted that I spelled commute incorrectly.
  • Red Light Cameras & Speeding
    I am all for the red light cameras and also for cameras for catching/slowing down speeders and I don't care if it is a way to increase revenue. Speeding is just plain stupid when you do the math. For a 20 mile comute, at 60 mph it takes 20 minutes,for 70 mph 17.14 minutes and for 80 mph 15 minutes and that assumes you can do the increased speed for the whole 20 miles. Now consider the momentum increase, the kinetic energy increase and the increase in stopping distances and you determine if the time "saved" is worth the risk. Bring on the cameras, let the limited IQ individuals pay for the increased revenue and save my life and the lives of those I love.
  • Red Light Cameras
    Thank you for posting your thoughts on the Red Light issue. This has been a frustration of mine for quite some time and it is proven to be a money making effort on the part of the State. I live in Oregon and I am eager for day when cellphone usage (including text)will be banned. It will be a great day when the truth is provided to the public.
  • Red light cameras
    Clark, are you sure speeding doesn't play a part in all the accidents? Check out young drivers who drive too fast and end up dying--I know you've seen it on the news in ATL all the time! Speed and inexperience are lethal for young drivers. If you've ever watched the red light runners at Lenox and Peachtree and at Lenox and Cheshire Bridge I know you'd be willing to think about it a little more.
  • Red light cameras
    Clark, are you sure speeding doesn't play a part in all the accidents? Check out young drivers who drive too fast and end up dying--I know you've seen it on the news in ATL all the time! Speed and inexperience are lethal for young drivers. If you've ever watched the red light runners at Lenox and Peachtree and at Lenox and Cheshire Bridge I know you'd be willing to think about it a little more.
  • Red Light Cameras
    I have to agree with Clark. These cameras are really for revenue. This has been shown to be true, when some cities were aked to give them up they claimed they could not as they needed the revenue.
  • Red Light Cameras
    I retired 3 years ago from Law Enforcement. This was just prior to the implementation of red light cameras in my city. From the research information I read, the cameras reduce side-impact collisions but increase rear-end collisions. Cars - and people - can better handle impacts from the front and rear.

    In my city's case, I believe that it is a combination of the frustration of chronic red light violators with an opportunity to increase revenue without increasing 'taxes.' My understanding of the violation is mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle. Unless you can show you sold the vehicle, you're stuck with the penalty... regardless who was driving it. Don't pay it? You won't be able to renew your drivers license when it expires.
  • Red light cameras
    If everyone did the right thing we wouldn't be using them, and we wouldn't need police either. The problem I have with the cameras is most communities lease them out to a private company. Some of those companies have been caught shortening the time between the amber light and the red light. There should be a law that says the city has to run them.
  • red light cameras
    Driving on public roads is not a game. I'm all for citing red-light runners and speeders.
  • red light cameras
    well....if more people would act like mature responsible grownups and NOT run red lights and speed....this wouldn't be necessary. I live in Roswell and take my life into my hands everytime I leave my neighborhood! Come on folks-leave the house 5 minutes earlier and drive like a responsible person!!! Cars can kill! Get it?!? It's not just teenages, I see many people way too old to be driving SOOOOO irresponsibly!
  • Traffic cameras
    I find myself in the middle on this one.
    True, these devices are a bit Big Brother and are nothing more than revenue producers at best and safety booster at the least, I don't see it as an infringment on my privacy or my any of my rights as some folks are saying. Goole Earth is more intrusive on my life and privacy and no one seems to be as vocal about that. I'd be willing to bet that more people than not, who think Big Brother is watching them, have a good time at Google checking out other people's lives. If you are worried about red light cameras, don't blow the light.
  • Right Light Camera
    Most red light cameras do not take a picture of the driver. If you get caught, all you have to do is insist that it wasn't you driving your car that day in court. Just say it could have been anyone of a number of family memebers. I got released twice using that defense. They can't convict your car.
  • Speed cameras
    They have their purpose and it is to stop red light runners. Here in AZ they are growing faster than roaches.
  • Please save me from red light runners!
    Where I live red light running is a big problem. It costs lives and it can be prevented.

    I have noticed where red light cameras are used people drive a little more carefully. That is the desired effect, isn't it?
  • Keep the AZ Red Light Cameras
    I, too, live in the Scottsdale 101 loop W area. Camera installations have made a huge contribution to safer driving here. Weeks of media notification precludes the installs. Multiple warning signs are in place for drivers. I believe that it would be difficult to fall asleep while keeping alert to the warning signs. Keep the cameras please. To those who complain about the tickets...SLOW DOWN!
  • Traffic cameras
    Just another government intrusion into our way of life. Our founding fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew this would happen
  • Traffic Cameras
    This is another government intrusion. Not to take away freedoms, but to encroach: more taxes, and giving more basis for totalitarianism. That's where the current administration is taking us. So, they use the cameras to spy on us... Skynet is coming!!!
  • Red Light Cameras
    Interestingly enough, you know that some brainchild would find a way to beat the system. There is an ad on this site that sells a spray for your license plate that will disallow the camera to read your plate. Tested and confirmed by a law enforcement agency!!
  • more tax $
    You are correct with "they're just intended to bolster the tax coffers". So what? It is an optional tax on speed and red lights. Unlike most taxes, you can opt out of this one. So don't break the law (speed and run red lights) and you don't pay the tax.
  • Camera intersections shorten yellow lights!
    I can promise you that the yellow lights are shorter at the intersection near my house since the installation of the cameras! Impossibly short. Also the left turn lane only allows 3 cars through before changing. And it's not about the money?! Please.
  • Red Light Cameras
    There should be one at every intersection and they should be able to ticket speeders as well. What the hell is the hurry (unless you are going to the hospital with an emergency). Get out of bed ten minutes earlier!!
  • running red lights
    This past Sunday I was going to the mall. My light turned green, I and the driver next to me started to go forward. The driver in front of us ran his red light cut in front of me and almost hit the driver next to me. He looked at us and laughed. We started going forward again. The driver behind the guy who ran the red light ALSO ran the red light. By that time the driver next to me was a little bit a head of me so the woman who ran the red light couldn't complete the turn. It was dangerous and very irritating. I live in Austin, Texas which is a big city but not too large. Running a red light is very common. About 3 to 4 times a work week, I would get stuck in traffic not moving because drivers run the red light and are stuck in the middle of the road. Once they installed the cameras, I was able to cross the intersection(s). I think it would be an everyday occurrence except that sometimes police officers drive thru. I am so glad they've installed these cameras and will do everything possible to fight to keep them installed. I like to live and get to work in a reasonable amount of time.
  • I'm for it
    If it's true that excessive speed isn't a leading cause of accidents, then's let's raise the speed limit. But I'm all for enforcing the laws. In the state that I live in, we continually hear of DUI accidents where the drunk driver had multiple prior DUI convictions. Why are we willing to allow these people to continue to drive?!
  • Red light cameras
    This is part of SkyNet. Join the resistance, smash those suckers!
  • Red Light Cameras
    The statistics prove that cameras reduce horrible t-bone accidents. They should stay and they are much cheaper than the cost of police it would take to replace them.
  • The problem I "ran" into with the red light cameras we have all over the place in Washington DC is that there is no recourse except going to court. A few weeks ago my husband and I needed to get to the hospital "pronto" to deliver my 6th child- it wasn't so obvious while we were still at home so I didn't call 911. Weighing the options of delivering our child on the Beltway or stopping and then going through a few red lights it was obvious which he was going to do, after all, I was screaming in pain. After I got home (our baby was born 10 minutes after we pulled up to the ER doors) I called the red light runner phone # to prevent us getting a ticket. I found out that there was nothing I could do if they caught me except go to court (with 6 children in tow) to make my case. Luckily we didn't get a citation, but we stop on every yellow light now and don't dare pull a rolling stop at any stop signs. Beware drivers behind us!
  • Disproportionate penalty
    Fines more punitive on low income citizens. The cameras are a convenience to wealthy citizens as they don't have to bother with being pulled over.
  • Wrong
    Driving to work every morning, I consistently see drivers going 15-20MPH over the speed limit. The posted signs aren't a recommendation, they are the law. Why shouldn't there be cameras, or other ways, to fine speeders? Whether it's for safety reasons or generating revenue is irrelevant.

    I also think there should be a FEDERAL law banning cellphone use while driving.
  • Cameras
    They really are only for generating ticket money for the muni's. It's ridiculous what the state / fed gov't thinks that they can get away with. They only get away with it because sheeple allow it. Everyone should be active in their communities. Don't let the government(s) keep walking all over you.
  • Clark is Dead On
    Amen Clark!
  • Cameras
    Just follow the money, or follow ways that a municipality might want to increase its revenues.
  • Let the Cop give the tickets. What ever happened to JOB CREATION?
    Clark is dead on for this one.
    Being stopped by a law enforcement officer is a MUCH bigger wake up call to reality and makes you think about being safe. Getting a photo ticket seems more like a questionable parking ticket, and can easily become a game of legal cat and mouse to get out of the seemingly unfair situation. Let the police give the tickets, not the equipment companies. As a matter of fact, it should be illegal an unconstitutional for a BUSINESS to make a commission off of convicting people of a crime. We could easily become a nation of FOR PROFIT INCARCERATION.
  • Arizona Traffic Cameras
    What else would you expect from a group who elected John McCain.
  • Traffic camaras
    I agree with 99% of what you say, Clark. But as for speed camaras I have a difference of opinion. I live in Arizona, where they have been installing them. I also used to drive the 101 in Scottsdale every morning on the way to work. To say it was a harrowing experience is an understatement, and speed definitely played a large part in the multitude of accidents, injuries and death on that road which occured almost daily. Driving with your heart in your throat because someone was not only speeding, but cutting into and out of lanes at a very high rate of speed was not a great way to start and end the workday. The majority of people that are complaining are the same ones that cannot take their foot off the pedal, slow down and not think that they own the road. Accidents that occur at high rates of speed commonly cause more damage, injuries and death than those at lower speeds.
    As a side note, Arizona typically allows a driver to go 11 miles OVER the posted speed limit before the camara 'flashes'. They also post a multiple of signs warning drivers that a speed camera is situation a mile, half mile, etc. before the driver actually comes upon it. If someone is still speeding after all of those warnings, and in the heavy traffic that is commonly on our roads in the Phoenix Metro area, frankly they deserve what they get.

    As for red-light cameras, suffice it to say that Arizona had (and might still have) the highest number of red light runners in the nation.

    This may not be the best solution, but until people take more responsibility when they are driving, it is the best we have to offer at the present time, because especially in these days of budgetary cutbacks we cannot hire nearly enough officers to patrol our roads and still be available to complete all of the other tasks and calls they need to make.

    Pay attention to your driving folks. Get off the cell phones and ease up on the gas pedal. We'll all be safer and still get to our destinations on time.

    Thanks for letting me express my opinion.
  • Big Brother Cameras
    I joined the national boycott of businesses in the area of these cameras. I would not want any of my money going toward tax revenue to a local government that would have such a thing.

    If the cameras are "protecting" citizens, there should be a need for fewer police on the payroll and lower taxes. Citizens should demand lower taxes in areas where these cameras are in use.
  • albert
    albert would be right at home then in north korea, cuba or the former soviet union.
    only an idiot believes speed or red light cameras are about safety. If that were the case how about the states using the money collected to rebate on a pro-rata basis to all licensed drivers of the state via a reduction in licensing fees. Don't hold your breath waiting for that day to come.
  • Red Light Camera
    If they were about safety, then why not send you a warning? It is all about the dollar.
  • Traffic Cameras
    If you believe in laws, then you cannot be against enforcement. Why is a citation by an officer for running a red light OK, but a citation by camera is not. There would be no revenue from traffic violations if people did not violate traffic laws. What difference does it make how the criminals are caught. For the most part. I give up. I just try to stay alive around the 90 percent of the motoring public who disobey the traffic laws.
  • high tech evasion
    I downloaded an app to my Blackberry called TRAPSTER, it will give you an audible warning if you are approaching a red light intersection. Its very effective, I've almost been rear ended several times when I have to slam on the brakes at a yellow. I learned my lesson when I got a $380 CA red light ticket, now I just hope the guy behind me can stop in time because he is going to be paying via insurance for rear ending me.
  • Bring on the rebellion...
    Where do I sign up for the rebellion? I've long wished to see citizenry show up at these damned red-light cameras with torches and pitchforks, ready to do away with these tax-generation machines.

    The stats are clear: these things are designed to rake in additional tax money, nothing more. Most collisions are do to right-of-way violations, followed by tailgating. Putting up a red-light camera and cutting yellow-light time isn't going to reduce intersection collision rates. Increasing yellow-light time has been shown to achieve this, but this fact goes ignored because it doesn't rake in more tax money.

    I wish Government would stop playing money games and get back to the business of serving the people again. In the meantime, I say smash those damned cameras and keep on voting the SOB's who support them out of office at every opportunity.
  • red light cameras
    You failed to mention that some cameras are being disabled because they are costing more money to operate and maintain than they take in. Seems like people learn where the cameras are and slow down at those intersections. You also failed to mention "following too close" as a cause of accidents.
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