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Feb 12, 2009 -- Clark sings the praises of Finland's educational system

Clark has created a fuss with educators in the past when he's raved about Finland's educational system.

Simply put, Finland has the best public education system in the world. Their students achieve well beyond children in any other country. Surprisingly, they don't spend a lot of money on education. But they do have an innovative approach and they work their kids very hard.

Here in America we have a brand of "education lite" with far too few hours spent in the classroom. In fact, our standard of 12 weeks' worth of summer vacation goes back to the days when America was an agrarian society and all hands were needed on the farm during harvest times.

In Finland, children begin studying algebra, geometry and statistics in the first grade. By age 15, they speak three languages -- not uncommon throughout Europe.

Yet their kids are No. 1 in standardized testing vs. any other nation. The bottom 10% of their academic achievers can beat an average student from any other nation in the world.

The Dallas Morning News reports a team of Texas educators recently traveled to Helsinki to learn from the Finns. What they found was that teachers had 100% freedom to educate -- there's no standardized curriculum -- and they treated their classroom like an entrepreneur would treat his or her business. Contrast that to how we do things in America with our five-year plans and giant bureaucracies determining what gets taught.

If you think this doesn't affect you because you don't have kids, think again. Remember that huge amounts of your taxes are still spent to support schools that are failures.

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  • What we can learn from Finland
    The "apple and oranges" comment above seems to be saying that we cannot learn anything by examining success of others around the world seems entirely bogus.

    The argument seems to be that because the population is different the discussion is over. Let me re-open it by point out that we have 10,000 differently school districts in the US and lots of different populations and different cultures. That is one reason why so many students seem enter college unprepared, have to do remedial work and that time spent in college is lengthening.
  • finnish education
    I taught in Finland, and now teach in the United States in Alaska. The differences in each job and expectations are incredible. Many of the comments by folks are correct. Apples vs oranges- you just can't compare a diverse society and one with one main culture and even one main religion. Another difference is that children with disabilities are educated- but in seperate settings. All students are either college prep/ or trades and they are on that track so you don't have the students who are taking algebra when they are better suited for basic math.
    Finnish schools provide real food meals to students- breakfast and lunch. YUMMY!!! Finnish schools value "recess" and play time, and lots and lots of physical activity. This is a huge difference with American schools. (It is a no brainer that when kids are physically active there are less behavior issues in a classroom).
    Another point is that Finnish children all start school early- my kindergarden class had students from 3- 5.
    Finally for me the biggest difference in the 2 systems was that both children and their TEACHERS were "esteemed". I don't know how else to describe it. Valued? Held in high regard? Children were expected to be children and not little adults- and teachers were quite respected...
  • It is ... apples vs oranges!
    2008 ...

    005,244,749 = population of Finland
    303,824,650 = population of USA

    000,304,367 = population of Iceland (highest literacy rate in the world)

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    Q) What is wrong with this picture?

    Apples vs oranges!!!

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    Terence in Brook Park, oHIo
  • intelligent criticism is not "bashing"
    Government education in the USA deserves the criticism Clark gives it.
    Why the knee jerk reactions calling him a "basher?"
    There are some good public schools and some good public school teachers in the USA, but the systems across most if not all of the 50 states need dramatic improvement. My wife is from Europe and I work for an European company. I have been exposed to enough to know that basic education is better in most other developed countries than in the USA. Our children go to private schools, and we cut some expenses and forego others to make that possible. Private schools are not out of the question for middle class households. Look around - they aren't just for the "rich" and many are more affordable that is widely believed. I can and will give up expensive cars, vacations, and meals in restaurants to provide my children with a quality education. If you settle for mediocre public schools and complain about it, then you need to re-examine you priorities in life.
  • paid by taxes does not mean free
    There is no such thing as "free" health care and education in Finland or anywhere else. Because it is paid for by taxes, it is not free. In the USA, do we have "free" police and fire services, "free" roads and "free" national defense? No, we do not, we pay for them every day. Please stop abusing the word "free."
  • education
    Remember that Finland is pretty much a homogeneous population........much easier to educate in this situation. The children we are trying to educate come from an incredibly diverse population! I do agree with the fact that when teachers have freedom to TEACH the outcome is much better. I speak from twelve years of experience!
  • education
    It is not surprising to find out that education in Finland is one of the best in the world. I do believe that freedom to teach and lack of standardized curriculum is the key. In US is just the opposite and some of the teaching requirements just don't make sense! On the other hand is also a cultural issue where good social behaviors are taught and instilled in these kids at an very early age so discipline and respect is not an issue like here, in US. Another important aspect to consider is the differences in US and Finland societies.Fins do pay higher taxes but also have high standareds of living, free healthcare, and social programs for all their citizens, while US is a different reality;not even kids have free healthcare while we spend billions of dollars in wars and hundred of millions on CEO's bonuses and retirement packages! Just think about it!
  • Clark's Education Bashing
    Why does Clark Howard feel the need to bash public education? Not everyone can afford nor wants to send their children to private schools. Also, just because your child goes to a private school doesn't mean that he/she is getting a better education. There are good teachers and bad teachers just as there are good an bad in every aspect of our society. Being a public school teacher in Georgia for 20 years, I have taught many students. I so agree with the comment below that we, in the United States, don't necessarily value education nor have the societal attitude towards education as some countries do. Most teachers do everything they can to make sure that they are providing quality instruction every day of the school year. But it is also up to the students and the parents to want to be engaged in the instruction. Unfortunately, there are students who don't and many times they have parents who just make excuses for their child's behaivor/attitude/nonparticipation. When Clark starts bashing public education, he is also bashing public school teachers. Why not try to be part of the solution and encourage parents to support their children's schools and teachers? Encourage parents to make sure that their child is not being a problem at school and hindering their teacher from providing quality instruction instead of adding fuel to the negative fire concerning public education? As far as what Clark stated about students in Finland studying algebra, geometry and statistics, if he would take a look at the Georgia Performance Standards (GPS)that all public schools in Ga follow, he would see that in kindergarten students in Georgia schools study numbers and operations; measurement;geometry;data analysis and probability; and processing skills.
  • finland
    Shafaa, I am so sorry to tell you, but there are quite a few kids who "don't care about education". I have been a high school guidance counselor for 19 years, and have seen thousands of kids who don't care. At my current school, we have a large persentage of kids who get a social security check, and all they have to do is show up once every 10 days to stay on the roll. No effort or grade requirement. Also, someone mentioned the kids with behavior disorders, and it is true. They CAN'T behavior. They are mouthy, mean, and fight constantly. Yet they are mainstreamed into regular classes. They learn nothing, disrupt and physicall hurt other students, while their parents just use the school as a babysitter. The graduation requirements here in NC go up again next year. All kids will have to go through Alg II plus one more math to graduate. There is no regard to wheter they plan to go to work, college, or community college. They all have to do it. Many of my kids can't. So they will sit in classes that are over their heads and they don't need, loose interest, and end up disrupting other student's education or dropping out of school. No good options. Besides, our society can't support having all students who are college prep. Jobs are growing more quickly in the 2 year technical community college areas. American's education is screwd up, NC being at the top of that list!
  • education in Japan
    In 1987, I participated in an exchange program where I hosted a Japanese teacher for 3 weeks in my home and my school, and then I went to his home and school in Japan. The class sizes in the Japanese high school I visited were huge, but you could hear a pin drop during the classtime. I asked a Japanese teacher how they handled discipline problems during classtime, and he said they don't have any. I asked, "Suppose there were to be a problem, how is that handled?". He said the other students in the class would take care of the problem, because the students don't want anything interfering with their ability to learn as much as possible during class. I can't imagine the luxury of being able to teach my subject without having to constantly deal with disclipline problems. There is a societal attitude toward education in Japan that just doesn't exist in a lot of quarters in the United States.
  • finland education
    Questions -

    Does Finland educate all students through the equivalent of grade 12? Even students with learning difficulties,disabilities, or behavior issues?

    What standardized test is the measure of what Finnish students know and are able to do?


    Do American students particpate in the same assessment?

    If not, how can we conclude that Finnish students are achieving a higher standard?

    Are Finnish students held accountable for their own achievement?

    and finally

    Are the majority of Americans schools "failing" or is it simply political opportunity that causes ignorant people to make that argument?

    Advice: Learn more about education. It isn't as simple as many people think
  • Fin
    I see nothing wrong with free Health Care. Several groups already get it for free.

    Illegal aliens can go into an emergency rooms and not be asked any ?s and leave for free. If an American goes it, he or she is grilled over insurance, etc. and if you have a home, they will take it to cover the bill.

    Education should always be free up to 4 yrs of college.
  • Finland
    True-but all education and health insurance is free in Finland---so do we want to become a socialized nation? Their economy is good but taxes are very high. Once the credit bubble absorbs Finland---all the free programs will be cut off and the schools will go first.
  • Finland
    I don't see a large group of people packing the bags wanting to move to Finland. Wonder how they embrace new arrivals?
  • comment on its a different world in finland
    That is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have ever read. True, the United States does have some more complex issues in educating their youth, but it is not because kids "don't care about education." Rather, it is because we have put too little emphasis on education and our kids report cards show it.
  • Finland is Great
    Finland is one of the greatest countries on earth. It doesn't surprise me that their educations system is superior.
  • its a different world in Finland
    Finland is a small homogeneous nation. They don't have the entire "tired, poor" third world coming in, who don't care about education. Their kids do their homework and the kids aren't too busy socializing or playing football so they focus on their studies.
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