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Jan 22, 2009 -- Listeners question the wisdom of wage stickiness in poll

Clark is intrigued by the way the economic theory of wage stickiness is playing out in today's economy.

Wage stickiness holds that it is better to layoff some workers and preserve the wages of those who remain vs. cutting everyone's wages to ensure there are no layoffs. Economists favor the former approach because they believe it's better for worker morale.

But a recent poll question on ClarkHoward.com found that -- given the choice -- most of you prefer the opposite of wage stickiness. The overwhelming number of respondents said that they'd rather everyone take a haircut at work to ensure there would be no beheadings.

So are the economists just plain wrong? Or is that in these uncharted economic waters, we realize the next one who gets canned could be us…and it's better to have 90% of a loaf than none at all? Perhaps there's another reason people want to see headcounts preserved at work; nobody wants to be part of a skeleton crew of survivors who have double or triple the normal workload!

Whatever the motivating factor, your fellow citizens are more mature and responsible than they get credit for being.

For example, one of Clark's radio colleagues hit a ratings mark that qualified him for a huge bonus. Management told him that they could give him the bonus he earned fair and square -- but they'd have to let go of 7 staffers to be able to afford it. Though he'll never admit it, the man did the honorable thing and agreed to give up his bonus rather than see people fired.

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What others are saying

  • RIF
    I worked for a company that had a RIF in the 90's. The joke 3 months later was that the "surviviors" were the ones that were let go. The pall this cast over the workplace lasted 2+ years. After that we went to a "productivity" system where staff was flexed based upon the metrics.
  • Talked to fellow staff about this
    I think that the variety of comments here has shown that there isn't a 1 size fits all answer. I think that there are times when taking pay cuts is very applicable.

    My comments were simply to deride the notion that it is my responsibility to help someone else keep their job. I think that this places responsibility in the wrong place. Each person is responsible for himself.

    No one likes losing a job, much like no one likes the market to drop, but both are inevitabilities in capitalism. That doesn't make capitalism bad. I feel for those that lose their jobs. I encourage them to stick to it and continue their "pursuit of happiness."
  • To Anon again...
    Looks like I spoke too soon. We lost 60 people today, about 12% of our staff. Luckily I wasn't one of them, but as a result I'm having second thoughts about what I said.
  • US doing it backwards
    Before we should ask the questions about pay cuts vs. layoffs, we should ask why the EXECUTIVES aren't facing these same questions FIRST. In Japan, if a company gets into financial difficulties the first thing they do is cut EXECUTIVE PAY. Then, if that's not enough, they LAY EXECUTIVES OFF (with no golden parachutes). This simple system penalizes the people making the decisions that got the company into hot water to begin with instead of the sales and production staff that actually bring the money in to the company.

    Now, that doesn't mean that the workers get off without any cuts. If necessary, cuts are extended to the rank and file workers. Of course, the smarter companies lay off the less productive workers first, then start with pay cuts. Fortunately, those moves hurt a LOT less when the executives have tightened their belts already! This leads to LOYALTY that isn't likely to be bought out! Imagine that, a company that shows loyalty to its employees BEFORE expecting their employees to show loyalty to the company!

    P.S. Greed at the top is the poison corrupting and undermining the capitalistic system.
  • pay cut vs layoffs
    What about in the situation of a Police department who was told to cut 3 million dollars from the budget. They already laid off all part time employees, and 4 recruits before they even graduated from the academy. Now, its propsed they will need to lay off police officers, in addition to demoting some sergeants and lieutenants. Does laying off 20-25 police officers really sound like a good idea when the department is already understaffed to handle the call load? The citizens already complain now, when the police don't show up in a "reasonable" amount of time (in their minds), what will happen when there are fewer officers on the street to handle the increasing crime rate? The other problem with layoffs is that due to union rules, the officers hired last (who have less seniority) will be laid off first, even if they are high acheivers, and perform better than their fellow officers who have seniority. So they can't just lay off poor performers in this case, they lay off the ones who were hired last. Makes no sense to lay off officers, increase work load for the rest of the officers, and let the city go to crap.
  • Take a Cut
    About 15 years ago, the company I worked for brought this question to the table. We ended up taking the pay cut for all the staff but once the company was in better shape a few years later, the company raised the wages back to that level and then increased them. We also let people who wanted to, take additional voluntary unpaid days off and prorated those days out. If a person felt they could afford it and wanted to take off 10 extra days that year for whatever reason, those days were essentially bought back by the company thereby letting the worker that could afford to take off time do so without penalty and eliminate the need for any other wage cuts. It worked well and to say that a person is not a high achiever, is incorrect. Some 'high' achievers wanting to take courses or balance their lives took advantage of the additional voluntary days off to do so.
  • US Socialism
    During the Cold War days, the communists workers mantra was "The government pretends to pay us and we pretend to work". While we are not there yet, we are moving in that direction. If everyone at a company chooses to take a pay cut, good for them - its a free country. However, those who choose not too should not be condemned. If it is true that the 'best and the brightest' move ahead in a free enterprise society, then you have to accept that others will not, at least not as quickly or as easily. Though retired now and choosing to work part-time, nearly all my high school and college buddies have been laid-off at one time or another. It is NOT a death sentence! It means you will have to suck it up, make sacrifices, stand tall and press on. You will find out what you are made of.
  • People that want everyone to take a pay cut are not high achievers. Why should a high achiever accept less to pay for someone just getting by? That's nothing more than socialism. Smart companies use layoffs to show lower productive people the door. The problem is that not all companies are smart and efficient singling out poor performers.
  • layoffs
    20 years ago during a recessionary period, I worked for a company that laid off 5 of the 7 people in my department. Since I had seniority, I was not cut. The other guy and I had to do all the work ourselves. Management said at the time, "no quotas, just do your best and we'll be happy." But when reviews came around, I got a poor reivew based on the fact that I didn't get 3 times the work done that I used to. I left for a different career altogether and couldn't be happier now. Good talent will leave if you dump too much on them, then what will the company have? Trainees unable to do all the work (but who are cheap) and people unable to get a job elsewhere. That company has since been bought by another company.

    A plan that would include getting rid of the deadweight, but not pushing the talent out the door would be best.
  • Incredible!
    I think people are right on both sides of this fence. It is the situation in question.

    My husband got laid off last year from the hardware department of a building supplies company. They were already on a skeleton crew and down to a skull, a kneecap, a collarbone, and a few rib bones. The hardware department was great for its time when the housing market was hot. After that collapse, however, they had to cut entire departments and pass what little work might trickle in to one of the customer service employees. My husband was afraid for over a year for his job. Almost every morning, he say, "I don't have anything to do today." He was a champion when the business was hot.

    On the flipside, I have seen a repugnant situation involving an environmental firm years ago where I worked. Business was almost at a dead stop. Benefits and jobs wer cut. Yet the managers gave themselves bonuses and pay raises. A year after I quit, that company filed for bankruptcy.

    Then the middle ground which is what the majority voted for in this poll. I am pleasantly suprised. I got so cheesed off at one car factory employee who moaned that he should not have to get a pay cut because of someone else's bad decisions. I shouted back at the TV, "You are about to get NO PAY, you moron!" Years ago, at a cookware manufacturing company I worked for, the management likewise made a generous decision. Business had been hurting due to bad credit lending. New customers were buying the cookware sets using the company's credit but then not paying. The management took the first step and agreed to cut their bonuses altogether. The rest of us had our bonuses cut by 50%... not wages, just bonuses. Yet some people still whined but I laughed. I was expecting much worse news when we got called to the meeting. I had never had a job that offered me bonuses for anything (part of that bonus included GOOD ATTENDANCE... *L*). They still are doing good, it seems, last I checked, but I had to leave them a few months later to move out of state.
  • Way to go Steve! Great names think alike!
  • wage stickiness
    The economic approach of wage stickiness vs across the board reduction in salary depends on the overall economy. In a flourishing economy, wage stickiness appears to be the best choice. An across the board salary reduction would send a huge percentage of employees job hunting with your competitors and you may loose the good employee along with the less productive employee. "Abandon Ship" However, in an economy such as we are currently experiencing, employees would most likely accept an across the board reduction in salary because the overall job market is poor with fewer alternatives.
  • Layoff or cut in pay
    It depends on the job and the economic situation. If the jobs are easy to get at another company and you are in a strong economic situation, let the employees go. If there is a job shortage in the area, look to cut pay and keep people working. No one answer fits all situations.
  • wage stickiness
    Proof that Neal's bark is worse than his bite. Nice guy!
  • To Anon...
    You are right that the cutting the dead weight is better than the across the board paycuts, but a lot of companies (mine included) has already laid off all the unproductive people. Laying off more would be cutting into valuable resources. My company recently announced the cancellation of bonuses and cutting back on some benefits. While everyone was disappointed, there was general agreement that it was better than the alternative.
  • Honorable radio Colleagues
    Must have been Boortz. That's the only radio colleague that works with Clark that could have seven staffers.
  • Pay Cuts
    Maybe we need to insist on congress take a 50 percent pay cut for non-performance since we can't seem to get rid of the dud's. That might work better than term limits. Maybe they need a performance review by having a vote on whether they get a raise or a cut by the voters, might wake some of them up just a little that they have a job to do, instead of fussing, bitching,
    and moaning about what the the other one is doing. As for Joe Peanutpicker taking a cut in pay to save someones job, it is a moral and ethical thing to do, but the CEO need to take the poison pill first along with all of the higher ups. Pay cuts are the start of deflation for no one can afford to buy anything and then you have a real problem start to happen, and it starts feeding on itself.
  • Why job or pay cuts?
    If these morons running these businesses hadn't dung a hole of debt they wouldn't have to layoff or cut workers pay. I have a business and its doing great. I have a lot of money in the bank (all FDIC insured) and have 0 debt. I run my business responsibly!
  • No pay week
    People listen up, as more and more people, get laid off and don't have money to spend on a product or service, all your jobs maybe in jeopardy, it just might be a matter of time, just think about. It's not only them it might be you too.
    I can't remember what exactly Clarks father once said to him, when he was a younger man, but it hit me right between the eyes, because my father told me the same thing.
  • I'm thinking that those that voted that everyone take a cut are the ones that feel like their own talent is questionable and would be the first to be laidoff. If capitalism is self-cleansing why can't the workplace be? Get rid of your dead weight and let them go flip burgers if that's all they're capable of doing.
  • Why do people think these are the only two options?

    My employer, in addition to some layoffs, is requiring employees to take off two weeks without pay. Salary/hourly rate stays the same.
  • More...
    What's with all this rah rah we're in this together stuff? Don't forget there is a distribution of performance across a staff, so everyone taking a pay cut might be a really poor decision. Use it as an opportunity to remove low performers. The people who now are crying "help everyone! You should take a pay cut rather than see someone else lose their job" are the same ones that would have been just as likely to step on your face before.
  • Huh?
    Ok if you don't give me $20 dollars I'll punch your friend in the face. Do the honorable thing here and pay up. Are we forgetting who is still making the decision? The company is choosing to handle it that way, they shouldn't put the burden of their negative decisions on their employees.
    I think that this employee does have a choice to make and that getting more of a bonus later may be the way to go, but this employee may be struggling, and needs this bonus. Hard to say. By the way, should he feel any worse for taking the bonus and the 7 being cut than he did by applying for the job and stiffing 7 others that applied for the same job? Hmmm tough one.
  • wonder if management could use this as a way to get out of paying a bonus. Who would be able to sleep knowing that they were personally "responsible" for seven people losing their jobs? I guess you just have to take management's word for it. Hopefully they do the right thing like this colleague did and award the bonus plus interest when things are better.
  • Wage stickiness
    The economists may be right in theory--after all, we should give them some credit since they actually know what they're talking about. However, I personally would rather see a salary cut for all employees across the board, rather than seeing them lose their job, that is, unless there were some that needed to be let go anyway....
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