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Jan 08, 2009 -- Clark's tips on refinancing your mortgage

We're currently in the midst of the greatest mortgage refinancing frenzy of the past 5 or 6 years. Rates are now the lowest they've been since mid to late 2003, which had been the best time since the golden era of mortgages in the '60s.

This time, however, there are some special wrinkles that Clark wants you to know about. It's more confusing to shop for a mortgage today than it's ever been. First, you don't know if your house will appraise out permitting you to refi. Second, you don't know if your credit score will qualify you. Third, you don't know who to trust! Finally, it can be difficult figuring out the math if you have 2 loans like many Americans.

Executive producer Christa is completely mortgage obsessed and spends at least a half-hour each day researching mortgages. She's currently locked in at 5.375% on a 15-year loan and is looking to refinance. Christa's been noticing some real oddball options in the marketplace including 7. 10 and 20 year refis -- and we're not talking about ARMs here.

Her obsession flies in the face of Clark's typical advice that housing debt shouldn't necessarily be a front-burner issue. After all, it is widely considered the least worst type of debt. But she's in a unique scenario where she and her husband have too much housing debt and they're already saving plenty for retirement, which is one of Clark's top issues. So her single-minded focus is actually a good thing in her case.

But most people won't do the level of research that Christa does. That's why Clark recommends TrueCredit.com. For a fee of $10, this service tells you the best rate you should qualify for.

When you're shopping quotes from lenders, beware of points that they'll try to impose on your refi. Each point is a fee of 1% on the amount you borrow. You shouldn't pay any origination fees or discount points. Finally, pay attention to the closing costs.

Another route to go is the no closing cost or stated closing cost option. These options may have an interest rate that's up to half a point higher to cover the lender's lost closing costs.

Looking for more info? Clark recommends checking HSH.com and MTGProfessor.com.



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What others are saying

  • Chase Refinance
    I just refinanced an already existing loan at a lower interest rate. I was charged 3.3 points and then at closing got socked with $1K closing costs. Oh- I repeatedly requested a good faith estimate during this four month process and never got one. I put "under protest" to all the fees that were no disclosed. We will see what the fallout from that and rporting to the OCC and RESPA violations are. Do not go with Chase- with their for telling of re-selling the mortgage- I put "please". They are awful.
  • Refi with the same title insurance Co save $
    Hi,
    I just did a refinance with a different bank. The bank wanted to use their title company for $250.00. I had done some research on the web and it stated that my current title company would give me a break in price and asked the bank if I could use them. They promptly told me that they could but the price would be the same. Hmmm. I called the Title company and they said they would only charge $25.00 if I stayed with them. OMG. I just closed and saved $225.00 by staying with the same title insurance company. Hope this helps someone else:)
  • Problems refinancing my ARM on my home
    Is there anyone out there who is trying to refinance or modify their present ARM loan and is running into the problem of income to debt ratio. I am in an adjustable rate mortgage and would like to refinance my loan. everyone I have gone to is turning me down because I had to recently buy a new car to get to and from work and that car is now a problem with me refinancing my home. my credit score is well over 600 and if it were not for this car I could refinance. does anyone out there have any advice on companies that will allow me to refinance my home?
  • Manufactured home and land refinancing
    Has anyone out there tried to refinance their mortgage loan for a manufactured home and found it difficult to do so lately? Did you find a lender and at what mortgage rate?
  • Closing Costs
    I have a been a mortgage brokr for 25 years. 90% of my business is referral. I never was in or believed in the subprime market. All my loans I charge an origination fee but never discount points. The origination is my fee. I also give the best interest rate. If a loan officer is not charging an origination than they are charging you a higher rate that is paying them back their fee.
  • mortgage refi
    CurtW. -- you must be a broker, puh-leese.

    You DO NOT need a broker to get a better rate. If the going rate for a 30yr mortgage is 5%, that's what you're going to get. Some banks may be at 4.875%, some may be at 5.125% but basically everyone is offering the same.

    Why on earth would I want to pay someone $5000 to plug my information into a computer and get a list of banks to spit out?

    Don't listen to Curt W. -- shop your own loan!
  • 7-year mortgage
    I'm in California and trying to find a 7-year mortgage like Clark has been talking about. I've only been able to find one at his credit union in Atlanta. Does anyone know where someone in California can get a 7-year mortgage (pay off in seven years...not an ARM)?
  • Zillow.com
    I'm a lender and this is where I'd go to request a mortgage quote. I'm in their system as a lender and provide quotes to borrowers who make requests. The service is free to both lenders and borrowers translating to zero add'l overhead built into the quotes. In addition, there are so many lenders that to have a chance, I have to be extremely competitive or else I won't even be noticed. I'm a skeptic so I'm still looking for the downside on the consumers side. Haven't found it yet. Also, Clark is wrong about not paying points. If you intend to stay in the home for the long run, 9x out of 10, it's worthwhile. It depends on the scenario but a breakeven analysis should tell the tale.
  • HSH
    Clark has been very helpful, as always. Unfortunately, his recommendation of HSH.com has been a disappointment. Each of the three lendors that I selected from their list quoted rates that were significantly higher than those published on the HSH site. No way to start a relationship with a new lendor.
  • Lending Tree, bankrate
    Lending Tree and bankrate.com are "pay to play" web sites. Lending Tree (by the way, most mortgage brokers have significantly more than only 4 lenders that they work with - why limit your search to only 4 lenders?) requires large upfront costs for lenders to sign up, a large charge at every closing and a cost per lead. Unless you close every lead, the costs of those that don't pan out will be absorbed by those that do. Plus you are paying for their advertising. They never mention that lenders on bankrate.com also pay to be listed. With Ditech you are paying for their massive advertising. Asking for a specific rate will not help you on this web site. Rates are not static and can change quickly. What some one received yesterday has no bearing what rates are today.
  • Credit report
    Go to www.annualcreditreport.com for a free credit report. See what has changed - especially if you just opened up a new account. That could ding your credit scores.
  • credit score
    My credit score dropped about 30 points in the last few months and I have no idea why.
    Any way to find out ?
  • Refinances
    As a 16 year veteran loan officer, you need to be aware of several items. First, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (conventional loans) made adjustments to your final rate over a year ago based on your credit score (< 740 mid credit score)and loan-to-value (LTV) (from 60% LTV to 97% LTV). It starts at .5 to 2.75 discount points that can significantly affect your final rate! Paying closing costs depends on how long you keep your loan and a simple amortization schedule can tell you when you will break even. Declining values have forced some people into mortgage insurance. Mortgage insurance automatically drops at 78% LTV or sooner if you challenge it with your lender and may make sense over the long run. If you don't pay origination, your rate will be slightly higher - your choice, not Clark's. If you get a 15 year mortgage, you will pay off financed closing costs usually within 8 months. A good reason not to do a no closing cost loan on anything less than a 15 year mortgage (Christa). Quoting rates has been difficult with the extremeley volatile rates over the last year. If you call one lender in the morning and another in the afternoon, your rates can vary significantly. Set up a range with your loan officer that makes sense for you - by the time you get back to them, your low rate can vanish! A competant loan officer can qualify you for free and the lowest rate you qualify for at that moment could be gone minutes later. If your lender advertises, you are probably paying for it in higher rates and or higher fees. FHA and VA are excellent ways to finance homes. FHA streamline refi's can allow you to refi without a job, no credit scoring and no appraisal with no adj. to your rate if you already have an FHA loan. About half of all mortgage brokers cannot do FHA or VA loans. This is probably the biggest reason that some loan officers put people into suprime loans when they could have easily qualified with an FHA loan. If you are over 62 and have equity in your home, a Reverse Mortgage can eliminate your monthly mortgage payment and may be able to allow additional monthly income. The Fed will be buying up to $500 billion in mortgage backed securities (mbs). This can help push rates down but remember that current mbs holders sell into the Fed's buying and push rates back up - just like stocks. I find it interesting that clients seem to be able to predict interest rates but can't predict the high and low of a stock. Make sure your loan officer educates you when making your decsions. If they don't, they probably don't know as much as they claim. I could go on...but won't. Thanks, Dan.
  • Refi
    I cashed in part of my 401K after a layoff and before I lost over 20% back in May/June. This will be what I need to refinance my 5yr ARM which will adjust in 3 years. Our value also went down about 13% but the real obstacle may be the fore closures that surround our home- Jax, FL
  • Refinancing
    We tried to refinance our home but snce the value went down it would cost us about $26,000, no thanks.
  • refil hell
    Clark, love your show but I gotta tell ya. For the common folk here that are struggling, refinancing is just bad, unless you go from a ARM to a 15-30 year fix at least 2.5% lower. Believe it or not, 3rd time I refi in 7 years. Mortgage brokers should be renamed con artist, and like the lady said, 90% of the mortgages gets sold. So if you wanted to do business at your local bank, they will take your application. Don't expect them to keep the note. I am happy with my 6% and unless they go down to 1%, you won't find me near any lending institution
  • rates
    I locked in last Friday at 4.375 for 30 years!!!!!
  • Best Rate I found after lots of shopping
    I have been shopping around for the best rate and terms to refinance my home in Georgia. I found One Source Mortgage in Powder Springs, GA has the best deal so far. Their website is showing 4.625% 30 yr fixed with 1 point origination and no discount points. I called and they can reduce origination to .75 for my loan amount. I am refinancing $278,000.
  • good source of info on mortgages
    Hey Folks,

    Check out mtgprofessor.com. Jack M. Guttentag is a professor at Wharton School of businesss, so he educates you rather than trying to sell.

    Good Luck.
  • Best Mortgage Deal for the week of 1.12?
    Anyone find a no points / no origination at 4.75 for a 30 year fixed? If so, please link.
  • re fi
    I've used Lending Tree many times with great success. You will receive a few quotes. Take the information and compare and negotiate with the company/sales person you feel comfortable with. Last year I got 4.875 for 15 yrs, figured it would take me 2.5 yrs to recoup cost and that's worth it.
  • Get Educated Clark
    PLEASE, get educated on what you speak of or risk looking like a complete idiot. Mortgages are more complicated than blanket statements "you shouldn't pay any origination fees or discount points." As usual the correct answer is it depends. For most, buying down the rate (using points) is not worth it - but it does make sense for those that plan to stay in their home longer than the time to reach break-even on the cost of the refi OR that urgently need the additoinal cash flow to stay afloat (yes, some would say they should sell but that's beside the point). It's too bad that too many bad mortgage brokers have given the industry a bad name, but brokers DO get you better rates. As most would say, you get what you pay for - and "free" will often get you a higher rate.
  • rates
    Every one should read JW's comment(reply to jo ann). It's true accurate info which can't be said for most of the other post and I can assure you that Donald is not going to get what he says or thinks he's getting unless he's paying 15K in closing costs. It is possible to get a low rate w/o points or origination fee. You just charge the borrower a $5000.00 processing fee and a $5000.00 admin fee. It's a way slick loan officers hide the points. Oh yes and you don't have to pay a penny out of pocket - they just add it onto your loan balance. Its a very foolish and unwise thing to do and takes years to recoup the costs if ever. Your losing more money than if you didn't refi at all. Hope you got a rate lock guarantee and a Good Faith Estimate (GFE)in writing signed and dated by the loan officer Donald. lol
  • refi
    What your mortgage officer is not telling you the the money that is made off of the yield spead- the money paid to the officer by the mortgage company on the back end.
  • reply to Barb - 4.35% rate
    Associated Credit Union has rates 4.5 - 4.35 for 15 year mortgage
  • TrueCredit and Points Logic
    1. I also did the TrueCredit analysis and got a rate much higher than my current lender is offering for a refi. Not much "true" about True Credit.
    2. When I request no origination fees or points, my lender says that will just mean a higher rate and that the originator needs to be compensated somehow. Can anyone speak to the logic of Clark's advice here and what to say to a lender?
  • Reply to Jo Ann
    As a former mortgage loan officer with a highly reputable company (BBB complaint-free, winner of state awards, etc.), the issue of the points associated with your "SMALL" mortgage is normal. Simply put, small mortgages are harder to sell in what is called the secondary market. When your loan gets sold (and over 90% of all loans are sold at some point), the servicing companies are making relatively less money on the small mortgages (same amount of overhead, less interest.) As a result, smaller mortgages often take a little "sweetening of the pot" to make them more desirable for an investor like Chase or Bank of America who are now the big boys in mortgage loan servicing. In my area, any mortgage below $100,000 had extra fees and it was a sliding scale (the smaller the mortgage, the higher the fees.) It varies somewhat by area due to the cost of housing. Think of lower fees for larger mortgages (until you get to Jumbo mortgages) as volume discounts because basically, that's what they are. Most people have no idea how many people need to be paid from every mortgage. There's the loan officer, processor, underwriter, rate lock department, closing department (prepares the final closing documents for the title/escrow company), post-closing department (handles various legal filings and follow-up to ensure loan closed properly and legally), compliance (to ensure government regulations were followed), and quality assurance (makes sure the loan is sellable to the secondary market.) That's eight entities (usually about a dozen people) within each company who come in contact with each loan file. This, of course, doesn't include the other office personnel such as receptionists, accounting, financial analysts who study and price the mortgages based on the secondary and financial markets, management, etc. Long story short is that most people have no clue how much overhead has to be paid for from every loan.

    With the fees, do wth the math with either paying the fees or paying a higher rate with reduced fees. Your loan officer should be able to easily provide you with a written Good Faith Estimate (it doesn't have to be the formal version, an Excel version is fine for now.) Usually, unless you plan on staying in your place for many years to come, paying fees/points doesn't make sense as getting to a break-even through the reduced payment from a lower rate can easily take five years or more (often much more) to pay yourself back for the out-of-pocket costs of the fees/points. Get the full and itemized picture from your loan officer and make your decision from there.
  • TrueCredit.com
    Despite the warning below by "savinmoney", I foolishly spent $9.95 with this service for a suggested quote for a 15-yr refinance that is almost 1% higher than my current 8-year old mortgage. What a waste!
  • ReFi
    I was quoted 5.0% and 1.75 points to refi a SMALL mortgage, resulting in many $$$ added to the total cost ( My FICO is close to 800). It will take 5+years to recoup this. Does this make sense to anyone??!! Who (what company) has a better rate?
  • Comparing Lenders
    I am trying to find the best deal for a refi. Has anyone used Lending Tree to compare lenders? Bankrate.com hasn't been too helpful. Thanks for any advice or other suggestions you may have.
  • refinance
    Refinancing, taking $18,000 cash out to remodel, 10-year loan, 4.75% rate with 1.25% points rolled into the loan for a total closing costs of $5,000. Is this reasaonable?
  • Name & #
    Donald does your mortgage company not want any more business because you still did not say where the 0/0 4.35 loan came from. We are all anxiously waiting.
  • Where did you get that rate?
    Donald where did you get that rate? I'm constantly looking for a refi to a 15 year, but haven't snagged that great rate you got. Thanks.
  • Refi
    Mortgage company is offering 5% with no closing costs or 4.625 at 1%. I do not want to pay costs but I will recoup in 9 months and save thousands over the term. Advice?
  • Refi
    My mortgage company is offering 5% with no closing and 4.625 with 1% closing. Is this fairly typical to pay closing with lower rate? I would rather pay no closing, but even at 1% I will recoup in 9 months and save thousands in interest over the term. Advice?
  • refinancing and consolidating debts
    It only makes sence to refi if you never ever use the credit cards again. And make a point of paying down your mortgage to a point lower than it is now.
  • 30 year locked rate
    I locked my 30 yr refi at 4.818 this week from 6.625% six years ago, I live in Ohio.
    Clark doesn't want you to throw credit card debt onto a refi because you would be turning non-secured debt into secured debt.
  • starving
    i'm a loan officer. if i charged 0 origination and gave out rates in the 4's right now, i'd be checking clark's "best food stamp redemption" places
  • mortgage rates
    i tried the mortgage rate calculator recommend by clark howard on www.truecredit.com
    it was a WASTE of $10 do not bother, rates are no where near what the mortgage broker is talking with us about....
  • Re FI
    Donald..how many points to get the 4.375
  • Additional Info
    oh, it's a 0/0 loan too......!
  • Re-FI
    I locked this week on a 15 year at 4.375%....that's 1% below what's listed here for Christa
  • If the lender or broker is giving you a loan that they are not being compensated for (par rate), then 1% origination is standard. I guess Clark expects the loan officer to work for free.
  • Consolidating debts
    Sure! Go ahead and consolidate....but only after promising yourself... reallt promising.... that you will not go out and build up more "bad" debt.
  • refinancing and consolidating debts
    Clark says not to roll other debts into the loan. But doesnt explain. If I have an 8% home equity loan or 16% credit card debt, wouldnt it make sense to refi?
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