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Jul 24, 2008 -- California outlaws home schooling

Clark is glad that he doesn't have high blood pressure, because he'd be steaming right now! The California Court of Appeals has outlawed home schooling. They want parents who wish to take on the burden and challenge of teaching their kids at home to be criminalized. This is an outrageous infringement on personal liberty.

The home schooling movement started in the fundamentalist Christian community, but it's since crossed over to about 2 million people of all types. Clark's concern is that as goes California, so goes the nation. Our Soviet-style monopoly school system is not succeeding, so home-schooling must not be outlawed.

How does the U.S. rank academically? A recent international test of 10th graders shows that we're sandwiched between Latvia and Lithuania in the middle of the list.

Finland has the highest achieving students in the world. The Scandinavian nation doesn't have a government-mandated curriculum; every teacher must decide for him or herself what to teach. Finnish teachers are not well compensated, but people clamor for the job because they can be true entrepreneurs in the classroom. Finnish classrooms don't use modern technology and kids don't start school until age 7.

We here in the U.S. have got to get out of our "one size fits all" mindset where we spend fortunes on education for no meaningful results. Think this doesn't affect you because you don't have kids? Huge amount of your taxes are still spent to support schools that are failures.


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  • TAX SUPPORTED SCHOOLS
    What is wrong with the school system is its an immoral system based upon the immorality of thievery. Taxes by definition are an involuntary relinquishment of ones property, hence legal plunder.
    I fought the system for years, and it only goes from bad to worse.The tax supported system does not educate, it indoctrinates, and there no way any-one
    can do anything to improve it simply because its an immoral system, based on theivery. I write articles about it on my blog site, octogenariansblog.com.My latest one is, "Don!t be fooled by Charter schools"
    Great article, Clark, thank God, you are writing about this very serious matter. Anne Cleveland
  • Homeschooling
    Wow. I can't understand why anyone would take away a persons right to education. That's what homeschooling is, Education. I homeschooled my children when they were younger. When my middle son wanted to try out public school, his teachers embraced having a homeschooled student. He ended up helping the teacher tutor the kids who couldn't "get it". On his standardized test his score was 8 points from perfect in reading and 10 points from perfect in math. He went to public school until the middle of 5th grade (where curiously his grades began to decline and he began to lose interest in learning), when he was withdrawn. My son just couldn't learn how to put up with injustice. For some reason, instead of looking the other way when someone was bullied, picked on, stolen from he had these horrible morals and this curious sense of right and wrong so he would defend those in need of defending and bring problems to the attention of the teachers. We are back to homeschooling, we don't fly under the radar because we are abusers. I invite you to sit down and talk to my son about any number of things, you may not get a word in and you will probably learn something you never knew. The abusers go to school. Can any of you who oppose homeschool say with all honesty that your entire public school experience was wonderful? And if you say that kids need to learn to deal with bullies, let me ask you this:
    WOULD YOU WORK IN A PLACE WHERE YOU WERE BULLIED, STOLEN FROM, OR EMBARASSED? If you're being honest, the answer is no. My children have the right to the best education possible. If more public schools were run like homeschools, then more homeschoolers would be in school and the test scores would be up across the board. I have met more public school teachers who HOMESCHOOL their own children than I ever thought I would. These people were also homeschooled with far less resources than we have today? Leonardo da Vinci, Claude Monet, Wolfgang Mozart, John Witherspoon (Princeton University President), General George Patton, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (32nd President) , Albert Einstein, John Rutledge(US Supreme Court Justice) I could go on. Every parent has the right to decide on their childs education, no governemt office should hold the power to tell a parent that their child get their education at home.
  • American Government Schools
    Awesome article Clark! I think the heart of the matter is often overlooked! The powerful, atheistic, left wing extremist teachers union- the NEA; they are a big part of the reason why our schools are failures! They have patterned their philosophy after John Dewey's teachings- this fool held religion in contempt! Now I am not advocating the teaching of religion per se- however the school-house environment is hostile to such. It should not surprise anyone that our nation is shifting left as a result. Children being taught the value of 'alternative lifestyles', atheistic 'evolution' etc. Only because good people have tolerated this for whatever reasons for too long. Religion is actually being taught in our schools, under the disguise of Humanism. Abe Lincoln, that great emancipator and founder of the modern day Republican Party, once rightly observed that 'The philosophy in our classrooms today will be the philosophy in our Government tomorrow.' A new generation is clueless and they are being brain- washed. Academic freedom- that's a joke and a distant memory. Just note what happened to David Horowitz last year as he attemted to give a speech at Emory. It's a sick joke and real Americans had better wake up.
  • homeschooling
    It truly scares me that CA has outlawed homeschooling. I can't begin to understand how intelligent people made this decision which affects so many families. I teach public school in GA, but my partner and I homeschooled our own two children from 3rd grade on. We made the decision to do so b/c we felt that our children were more heavily influenced by their peers and teachers than by our own family values. It's also true that you sometimes get poor quality teachers, and we felt we had had our share. Both of my kids are now in college FT, work FT, have plenty of friends and are "socialized." Neither have been involved in drugs or alcohol. They are great kids!
    All families should have the freedom to educate their children as they see fit. Our educational system is a nightmare! I work there everyday and try to make a difference in the lives of the children I teach, but I would NOT want my future grandchildren to enter the system as it now exists.
  • homeschooling
    Mr. Crane, Plenty of kids in public school live in families that are abusive have drug problems and have parents that are too lazy to get them to school. They go to school and are influenced by other kids that are from abusive families with drug problems. There are drug problems in schools and our schools are a failure. I wasn't sure if you had noticed that are not, so I wanted to point that out to you Mr. Crane.
  • So goes California so goes the nation. Straight to hell.
  • Homeschooling
    Why would anyone assume (Mr. Police Officer) that parents who homeschool their children want to fly under the radar or are abusive? Why can't people understand parents who want to give their children a one-on-one education, like they had their own private tutor (definately better than one teacher vs. 25 kids in a classroom). What's wrong with tailoring your child's education to their learning style so they actually enjoy the learning process and don't go to school just to see their friends? How is keeping your child away from negative influences and other children with behavior problems a bad thing? Since when is socialization just condsidered proper when you are socializing with 24 children your exact age? What about learning to interact with people of all ages at the same time? What's wrong with having the time to focus on talents (such as music, art, etc.) since you homeschool and finish your work by 1:00 instead of 3:00 with homework? Why is wanting your child to be able to pray at the beginning of their school day or learn to learn to do chores at home or making your child be more independent a bad thing? People need to read about homeschooling and talk to many homeschooling families to understand what homeschooling is. Stop talking out of ignorance (thinking you understand homeschooling because you know ONE family that homeschools and that family is weird/lazy, etc. I taught public school. Do you know how many public school kids have weird/lazy families?)
  • Home Schooling Expansion
    Clark has a great show -- interesting, beneficial and always very informative!!I listen when I can and love it. However, like his "bed-fellow", Neal Boortz, I find his excursions into the "social" somewhat disquieting. Of course, I fully realize that Clark and Neal were home schooled and know of what they speak. IfI can just convince the stuffy, hidebound colleges and universities to buy in to this remarkable inovation, I'm reasonably certain (given the "right" Barnes & Noble and/or Liberty University (sic) curricular materials, plus the almost daily mind taxing field trips) just maybe I too can obtain an exciting and financially rewarding double major in Astrology and Industrial Chemistry.
  • Home schooling
    Although my 2 daughters were not home schooled they did not go to government schools. My oldest doesnt't really count because he is MR, but my youngest has a far better education than I received (and makes more money that ne). Most home schooleers do a great job. It's sad and scary that California has become such a neo-nazi state.
  • Home schooling
    With all due respect to your noble profession *Officer Sid Crane.* The vast majority of parents who home school do it for the right reasons. Not to fly under the DEA or social service radar or are too lazy to get their kids to school. Those are the exceptions not the rules. And to weed out those who abuse the home school right, there should be standards and rules regarding home schooling, not banning it outright.

    That would be like outlawing motorcycles because there was one used during the commission of a crime. It's dumb and doesn't address the problem.
  • Home schooling
    I am a cop in rural Butte County, California. I have found that many kids are home schooled because the parent(s) want their kids (family lifestyle, drugs abusive environment) to stay under the radar. Also when they live in the sticks (possibly for the same reason) they are too lazy to get up early and get their kids off to school, etc.
  • California outlaws homeschooling
    Of course Californians are insane. Have you seen the other laws they've passed? They're almost all nuts. But that's a different topic.

    Unless the teacher's union is behind it, why would you outlaw homeschooling? How stupid. Maybe if some of the elected officials and their constituents had been homeschooled perhaps they would have a better grasp on reality.

    Homeschooled students score higher than average public school students most of the time. And I've yet to meet any homeschooled student who can't read. How ridiculous.

    You think homeschooled students aren't socialized? Yeah, I think learning how to bully other kids on the playground is a valuable socialization skill that must be learned. And learning how to form a clique in order to exclude some of your fellow students, that's most important to succeed in life. Oh and learning how to cheat on tests with your camera phone, oh yeah, better learn that one, too. Of course I'm being sarcastic, but get off the socialization horse and open your minds. If the comeback you have for banning homeschooling is those kids don't get socialized, maybe you should spend some time on a playground or at a daycare. Socialization isn't all it's cracked up to be. Parents at home can teach respect while homeschooling obviously easier than teachers can. But like the saying goes, those who can DO, those who can't TEACH.

    Homeschooling should remain an option if parents choose it and can invest the time and effort it takes to get the curriculum through to their kids. It should NOT be outlawed. PERIOD!

    If you don't want YOUR kids homeschooled, I have a solution for you: Don't homeschool them! But don't take others' right to do it just because you don't like it. That's not only selfish and childish, but it's facist, too. Live your life please, not mine.
  • homeschooling
    After reading some of the postings regarding this subject it is obvious that many people have no idea what they are talking about and have a tainted view of what homeschooling is. Many focus on the exception to develop the rule and say homeschoolers can't read, they're socially deprived, etc etc. I am so sick of this - sure some homeschoolers can't read. But I am on high school campuses regularly and it is evident that there are a tremendous amount of "public education" kids who are not proficient in the basics. Combined with a 1 to 30+ teacher to student ratio, with many behavioral problems thrown in and you have one huge mess. My wife and I have homeschooled three children - all consistently scored high on national assesment tests, all graduated with honors on the public school system framework, all have or are attending a university program and are/were consistently on the deans list. One has graduated with honors.

    As for social depravation - my gosh, if we had been any more involved in local soccer clubs, local dance comapanies, homeschooling co-ops, etc we would have gone crazy.

    You are entitled to make up your opinions but you are not entitled to make up the facts. And the facts about homeschooling are that most homeschoolers far surpass the average public school educated student.

    So just stop the invalid sterotypes of homeschoolers until you know what the heck you are talking about.
  • California outlaws homeschooling
    Californians must be insane or at least the court system. This has to be challenged in court. Have we become communist Russia already? These black robes are a bunch of idiots.
  • Ron Hahn
    Mr. Ron Hahan, the tax cuts of the Republican Party have nothing to do with the education system. More money has been put toward education in the US then ever before in our history under President Bush. By the way, even with all that money the system is still not that great, proving that you can't throw money at a problem to fix it.
  • homeschooling
    I am a big fan of your show, even telling others to listen to you, but I was very dismayed over your ignorance over the home schooling issue in CA. As a public school teacher who helped set up the independent study program in our high school district (where a student does their course work at home, supervised by an certified teacher) I have experienced the harm a child experiences if a parent does not provide an adequate education at home. Before this ruling, all a parent had to do was sign an affadavit saying that they would educate their child at home, with nothing said about if or what type of education would be provided. Simply stated there was nothing in the law that held the parent accountable for their child being educated. I personally have experienced high school aged children not being able to to read or write as their parents "home-schooled" them when they were younger. I also have experienced parents who have signed their students out of high school using the affadavit process so they could avoid California's compulsory attendance laws. The judge did not outlaw home schooling, the judge just insisted that parents prove that they are providing an accrediated education to their children. By the way , most if not all, public school districts in the state provide the means for a parent to educate their child at home. Please Clark, do as much research on this topic as you do on ways to "avoid getting ripped off"
    Sincerely,
    Linda Campbell

    PS Are you aware that Finland spends 6%
    of their GNP on education, compared to our 4%.
  • Homeschooling
    I don't have problem with children being home school. But I believe the parent needs a degree to homeschool their child. There is alot of parents keeping them home that completed only 12 yrs. The only thing that concerns me is the social atmosphere with other people.
  • home schooling
    unconscionable to try to prevent parents from teaching their children in the safer environment of their home.
  • Home Schooling
    I fully support homeschooling. I refuse to have some idiot teach my child their sinful and wicked values. This is a Godless society where almost anything goes. My 12 year old child is very smart, in fact she is already doing algebra in her math class. Most child in her age group cannot stand up to her knowledge. I know that she is safe from all the evil influences that is fully available in public schools. She is safe from being killed like others have been in public schools. God gave me my child to protect, and direct her to heaven. It is a parents' right do what is best for their child.
  • Home Schooling
    I don't agree with outlawing home schooling, HOWEVER, States should mandate proficientcy tests for home schooled children. My christian fundamenalist sister-in-law home schools her daughter who is approaching 10 years old and still can not read due to an apparent learning disability that neither my brother nor sister-in-law want to acknowledge exists! They should have got special help for her years ago but they pretend that there is no problem. Parents often think they know what's best for their children when they in fact don't have a clue.
  • In Defense of Clark
    An earlier blogger absurdly asks Clark to keep his Right-wing views to himself and yet freely expresses his Left-wing views. Self-contradictory at best.

    This blog is about home schooling, not socialized health care. Stop tax cuts and increase educational spending? We already spend $10K+ PER student PER year of tax payer money in Gwinnett County to attempt to educate our children! Yes, that's $10,000+ PER year PER student! Look at the surprisingly large percentage of public high school principals who send their own kids to private school. Hmmm? What does that say about the system? Public school teachers have told us that we should home educate our kids. For much less money, education research substantiates the success of home educating above and beyond what public schools are able to accomplish. Yes, it takes work, but it's well worth it, both academically and socially.

    I whole-heartedly agree with Clark. Let's start thinking outside that Soviet school box and figure out how to effectively use our tax money to educate our children in public, private or home schools. For a related perspective, search the Web for John Stossel's 'Stupid in America' column on ABC News' site.
  • Health care in Italy
    Ron, I saw Italy's health care system first hand too. My son had a bicycle accident there and cut his arm severely. Our experience was not one I would want to go through again. The hospital had construction going on outside the operating room with dust and dirt everywhere. My son had to stay overnight and he had absolutely no care at all. We had to let them know when his IV ran out. No food was provided except an apple and stale piece of bread that was literally thrown on a tray for my son. When we went back for a follow up check-up the doctor came into the examination room smoking a cigarette! When the bandages were removed I saw that they had not even cleaned up my son's arm from the accident. We never went back to that hospital but went to the US military base 50 miles away which provided excellent care. I don't want socialized medicine!! No cost can only mean no service! And, by the way, I home-schooled my two sons for 7 years and they were at least two grades ahead when they were tested. And throwing money at a problem doesn't always fix it.
  • An Education
    First: Children need to be taught that they to have a job to do by learning everything they can through practical experance(a campfire is hot and will burn you if you stick your finger too close to the marshmellow that you are toasting !)
    Second: Parents need to take full responiblty for there childrens education by paying the full bill of such education as required by law as here in Georgia. I bet some Mommy's and Daddy's would become very interested in little Waldo's or Walderiean's education real quick.
    Third: Test them with the clear understanding that if the children do not pass the written and skills test, no promotion, period!!!
    Fourth: Fire the rotten teachers and hire some of the homeschooler-they at least try- and get rid of all of the administration staft. How many people does it take to write and mail a letter???
  • Finland
    I'm all about improving our schools but when I looked for further information about what Finland is doing, I found many many references to their "national curriculum" - Clark, where did you find that they have a system where "each teacher decides for themselves what to teach"? I find many references to strong national curriculum ... what gives?
  • home schooling
    I was talking about this subject with my son's public school teacher last week. He told me many of the kids entering the "system" are behind on social and scholastic skills. I don't think the systems broken, just the follow thru by the home school instructors.
  • Home schooling
    The last time I checked, this WAS a free country with parents being in control of their childrens lives(as long as they are not abusive). The public school system is broken and the only way to fix the problem is to take the government out of the equation.
    I agree with Clark and feel sorry for Ron who seems to be out of touch with the state of our public schools
  • reversal
    Uh, guys, they reversed this a while back. Do you mean to say they reversed the reversal?
  • home schooling outlawed CA.
    This is the type of ridiculous court ruling that should cause people in this country to wake up. Close the failed government run education system (babysitting service).
  • Clark is right about this
    I agree that outlawing homeschooling is an atrocity of the highest degree. It's one step in the direction of "the government knows how to parent better than you do". The government shouldn't even be in the education business anyway. Ron, I'm not sure why you love the public schools so much but throwing money at a problem won't always fix it.
  • "Soviet"schools
    That was a disgraceful thing you said about the public school system in this country, I had at one time had great respect for you, but you hit a new low, I'd expect that from Boortz, but not you, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Maybe if your great Republican party would stop all these tax cuts and support public education we wouldnt have these problems in our education system.
    While I'm at it, you always point out the high taxes they pay in Europe, why don"t you say that it for everyones health care,but hey, thats socialized medicine, I'll take that any time, and we had first hand experience with Italy's health care, as my wife had a fall in Pompei, 2 doctors treated her immediatly, and NO charge what so ever. Clark please keep your right wing comments to your self.
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